Well in fairness to ford this is the first time that any company has ever tried to replace all their stuff with AI. There has been no prior attempts and therefore no cautionary tales they could possibly have learnt from. This was an utterly unavoidable mistake and no one needs to be fired over it.
/s
rehire to train the AI, then LAY THEM off again and hire cheaper outsourced tech engineers down the line.
The problem is, “training” the AI is also largely a myth. A bunch of idiots in charge unironically think that if you force all your workers to use llms, llm will magically get better. Like, seriously, they believe that.
You wouldn’t vibe code a car…
That one person at Ford going I told you so must feel so vindicated
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“Yeah I’m really into cars”
drives a Mustang
lmao, sure thing, buckaroo
I’m very much not into cars, so what’s wrong with a mustang?
Also not really into cars, but I think it has to do with the fact that people who know nothing about cars think it’s one of the best cars ever or something (mostly due to marketing aimed at machismo and shit). But if you start learning about cars there’s probably much better, more enjoyable rides out there, probably for much cheaper (since they’re not purely about marketing and image).
Please take all of this with a heaping pinch of salt and anyone who knows better is more than welcome to correct me or add to what I said if I missed the mark completely.
They didn’t buy the hype; they knew it was bullshit from the start. Seriously, do we think upper-level management can’t understand such a simple message that we’ve been repeating for years? … Of course they knew; they always knew; they got bonuses for pretending not to know.
Nope, they are legit that stupid. They’re professional idiots who only know things about their tiny niche and have NO idea what everyone else does. They have no idea how much work goes into a product, they just think that everyone does what they do, meaning “Just type/draw some stuff”.
Yeah, but they thought they would be the one that would be able to harness AI. Like all the others
Hope the engineers asked for significant hikes over their previous salaries
i would asked at least triple, and 1-2 years(for each worked previously) of severence if laid off again.
There was a brief time in the early 90s when Object-Oriented Programming was still new to the business world. Clueless managers thought it meant somebody could draw a box labeled “Do Payroll” and somehow software would appear. They’re doing that same thing now with AI.
Your average MBA
Clueless managers and completely misunderstanding new trends, name a more iconic duo.
Except object oriented programming is a real thing that exists.
Yeah but it doesn’t work out described, if you do it wrong then it won’t work
While Output = wrong
Run CreateOutput
Print Output.Wait really?
Im glad they are struggling. All corporations are bad.
The one good thing about ai is that it exposes the morons
Funny thing is, its all in the C-suite.
Listen to your engineers for gods sake
But they don’t have MBA’s!!!
Idk of it even does though… Who at ford is going to take the rap for this?
Will if one would fall for this it would be a sign of progress.
But probably it’s beyond repair and the capitalistic advantage (of the y model Ford) is lost forever
Yeah… Some company or other is going to go bankrupt over this. That will be the start of a fun few months…
Check out brazil and Argentina’s economies. They both deregulated collapsed the middle class. They are both in Golden Ages down there.
Live by the coup die by the coup
Did they include “do not hallucinate” in the prompt? Didnt think so. Classic mistake
the AI would Hallucinate the part where “it doesnt hallucinate”
see my other comment.
Unbelievably, this is real advice I’ve heard from corporate AI experts.
It is included in the guardrails for my orgs copilot integration. Surprisingly, it still hallucinates.
If you ask chatgpt for 100 5 letter words around a single topic, instead of saying it can’t give you 100 words it will just start adding 6 letter words and then start cutting off a letter.
It’s astounding how much faith people put in this software
Well that’s just ridic
That movie was ridic too
Obviously the solution is to tell it to not hallucinate that it isnt hallucinating
it will hallucinate that its not hallucinating.
so tell it to not hallucinate that it isnt hallucinating that it isnt hallucinating.
"Oh, thanks for pointing that out, I 100% hallucinated those connections this last time. Let’s go over what’s real:
- real
- real
- real
- hallucinated
- real"
Surprisingly
“I do not think it means what you think it means.”
I went to a conference a few months ago and the very first speaker gave the following advice with a straight face to a room full of professional software engineers: “Your biggest limitation on your productivity is going to be token management, so just buy as many tokens as you can so you won’t even have to think about it.” And that guy, supposedly, didn’t work for OpenAI or Anthropic.
I kind of hope he’s at least getting kickbacks because I would rather he be a secret corporate AI shill than just a submissive gimp for dommy mommy AI industry attempting to recruit more paypigs to her flock. At least that would have more dignity.
i always wondered what they are peddling at these AI conferences, we have them almost daily here in the west. im not really surprised they have a hired “spokesman” to do it, are the engineers buying into this? or they know full well the AI isnt shit?
Lulz, amen to that
“Write program worth 1 million dollars. Do not hallucinate. No mistakes. Good code only. Make secure. No vulnerabilities. Follow all standards. No spaghetti code. No anti-patterns. No deprecated dependencies. Runs fast, and cheap, and completely functionally. Does what it is supposed to. Minimize token use.”
Perfect. Iron-clad. Let the profits commence.
This is like not even a parody of what they think lol. It’s so ridiculous.
Got it, this program was worth one million dollars before uber was invented.
So scary to realize these business barrons have zero qualms with putting our lives in the hands of untested technology to make a few more buck to light their already full coffers and that it’s already happening with AI
they are hoping to make money, before someone else holds the bag, its not thier problem if they can kick the can down the road for someone else to deal with.
It’s because their positions are often like that “rest of the owl” drawing meme, only it makes sense to them because other people do the filling in of the details and solving the problems. So when an AI can produce the early part of that drawing and confidently promises that it can fill in the rest of the owl, they see it as the same as what their teams were doing prior and unironically believe that them saying “ok, go do that” is the important part, so an LLM should be as competent as a team of engineers.
It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.
It takes an engineer who knows the material well enough to see that LLM accuracy is incredibly low, even when it seems to be making sense.
This was my take until even this year, but honestly it has improved since a year or even six months ago.
It still lies to you and needs to be given pointers constantly, and many other caveats, but the reality is that all of the investment and coming up with the failure loop perfected by Claude Code changed things IMO.
It’s really depressing to think about how all of these rich fucks set a trillion dollars on fire to eliminate one of the only good paying careers available. It’s almost like it’s time to riot or something. 🤷
I still don’t think that means the c suite will be able to fire all of the programmers. It’ll still be the nerds’ job to get the robot to produce the software. It’s likely just to going to make life more miserable for the remaining programmers because more and more will be expected of less of them.
I bet AI is especially enticing to those of the “It can’t be that hard” mentality.
Conversations about AI aside for a moment, God bless random trade dudes making YouTube videos. Thanks to them, I’ve learned about 80% of most jobs can be picked up with minimal training.
The American business model is obsessed with cutting costs to raise profits. Increasing market share and developing new streams of revenue all have an investment cost and take time. Cutting labour has no immediate cost and it makes line go up for the next quarter, and that’s what their compensation packages are dependent on.
That’s why the idea of AI is so attractive to pretty much every CEO, it’s the business hack to reduce labour cost that they’ve been looking for since we outlawed slavery.
i would like to see the day when a PE firm buys ford, GM.
Just look at the workers rights movement. Capitalists can, and will crush you like an plump ant under their boot. It’s only regulation that gives them a moment’s pause.
No company ever has your best interest at heart.
It’s scary, but also very unsurprising. Companies haven’t seen their workers as actual human beings for many years. That’s the bigger problem that is behind all of this.
They have a department called “human resources”. Come on. They see humans as just another resource.
Yes nothing has changed.
How did rehire affect pay?
Bingo.
If I were one of those engineers then the only way they’d get me back is by offering me a shit ton more cash.
And even then I’d be actively looking for another job asap because, let’s face it, the next time a Ford corporate goon feels they could fire me and replace me with a bag of shit to make their profit line go up then they would do in a heartbeat.Not sure how it works where you are but in my country companies had started this trend where they began laying off “overpriced” programmers programmers who’d been hired in the dotcom boom, had remained loyal employees for decades and (here’s the real point) were reaching retirement age. They ‘offer a package’ (early retirement) and then manage out anyone who didn’t take it. Comes to pass that these devs have such deep domain expertise alongside their technical abilities that the majority of them get hired back as consultants at what amounts to a name-your-rate deal. Learn from us. Take the package and go freelance.
