I know I’m not the only one who feels like I’m getting visually assaulted everytime I drive at night. It was bad 10 years ago but now, it seems like headlight manufacturers have a deal with insurance companies and optometrists to make the lights as bright as possible. Is this ever going to stop or is there some kind of race in the headlight industry to see who can reproduce the power of the sun first?
It’s fucking horrible even here in EU, where I would expect it to be better regulated. Can’t imagine how bad it’s in the US.
I’ve even seen multiple posts on local subreddits about people buying SUV/crossovers and one of the main reason was being blinded by other SUVs.
Fucking horrible it should be checked at every MOT, and it sometimes is, but the newer vehicles are exempt from yearly MOTs for some stupid reason.
I didn’t think about it a the time I bought might but that has been a plus to be fair my are stock. Only had a hand full of people putting on their brights back at me. What you going to do.
Adjust your lights to not blind other drivers?
Well that’s no fun at all!
“Only a handful of people indicate to me that I’m being an asshole when I know I’m being an asshole. What are you going to do? I am helpless in this situation.”
These comments make me glad I don’t have to drive at night often.
It pisses me off to no end, but what the fuck can I do about it lol
I’ve often considered making an adjustable mirror with a servo on it mounted to the back of the car, so they can blind themselves and feel stupid
I just turn on back fog lights. these are like high beams in a night without fog.
I’ve day dreamed of just wrapping my car in retroreflective vinyl.
There’s a strong temptation to wander my neighborhood with a thick piece of wood and “solve” my problem locally
Nothing better than having to cover my eyes at night because my retinas are being fucking burned out of my head.
In Canada, the federal government just put out a nationwide poll for input on this exact subject, as it’s coming near to the time to review the related legislation. It’s very possible that some of the headlight implementations currently on the road will soon be illegal nationwide.
Thank god, I’ve been sick of this shit for over a decade. I don’t know who would vote against dimmer lights. Do you have a link for this poll?
The poll closed 20 April: https://tc.canada.ca/en/corporate-services/consultations/canadian-experience-vehicle-headlights-glare-night
I seem to recall it opened in February. There were lots of news articles on Lemmy about it at the time.
In regional areas the extra light at night is genuinely helpful.
However, thats on unlit roads with so little traffic that you only see an oncoming car once every 5 or 10 minutes.
On roads with more traffic theyre just not necessary because there aren’t any animals or other obstacles.
In regional areas the extra light at night is genuinely helpful.
Bro, that’s what the high beams are for.
The current situation is the normal (low beam) headlights on some “newer” cars are so bright, I could turn of my headlights at night and the car behind me gives enough light for me to see without a problem.
Oh I thought thats what everyone was complaining about.
Everyone here has after market LED light bars or spot lights. Factory lights and evern high beams are no big thing but light bars have the fire of a thousand suns.
Because (particularly in the US) people have the attitude of “I know that it’s going to be shit for other people, but it makes me feel a little better about things, so I’m going to do it anyway”
That’s a very complex thought process. Let me unveil the real reason:
“whoah that’s cool”
That’s it. If someone made a pan-nuclear LED with the same brightness as the surface of an entire white dwarf, people would buy it. That’s where the thinking ends. Where the light ends up, other people, etc… Who cares?
“Other people exist?”
For me it’s not the brightness, but the color temperature of the light that gets me. Why do we strictly regulate the color of turn signals and brake lights, but not headlights? Warm white should be mandated.
I bought glasses for this very reason. “Night vision” glasses. While the lights are still bright your eyes recover quickly.
Do these work? I’m thinking of getting them.
I wear prescription glasses they need to fit with so trying them is a much bigger investment
Polarized lenses, but with a yellow tint instead of black. They work nicely in my experience.
I’ve seen them for sale at truck stops, some with extra-large frames so they’d fit over your prescription lenses.
In my experience they help, but they don’t totally fix the problem. I’d still rather have them than not, though. I use fitovers.
I’ll look for that brand. I haven’t had any luck with sunglasses that are supposed to “fit over”, but have been using magnetic clipons sized to fit
Oh, the brand on mine is “Solar Shield,” fitover is just a category. I’ve also used some of the “Cocoons,” but those are mostly orange sleep hygiene glasses. Solar Shield are cheaper but I don’t think they make orange ones. Clipons do also work for night driving, I have a pair of those too.
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Trucks with 3 sets of LED lights blinding me all the time
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Don’t people who set the rules also drive? “Wow, I can’t see a damn thing. Maybe headlights are too bright?”
No, they get driven. The important people are driven around and everyone else can eat shit
Its (like many things) mostly the us’s fault. A slide away from rules into vibe based everything.
I remember a long time ago when I was first getting my license you had to pass a headlight test where you parked in a spot and there where painted lines on a wall for both high and low beams. It was how you adjusted your lights and was common in Canada. Now no one even knows what I am talking about. The rules are still there but no one enforces them and most forgot they can even adjust their lights (not sure new cars and trucks can be anymore).
Manufacturers in North America are now putting their lights so high up on vehicles and use such bright piercing lights on everything that night driving has become a nightmare. The answer to getting blinded is now to out blind others, its madness.
I love that people are asking me if I have some kind of visual deficiency when the phenomenon of blinding lights is so common that it’s in the simpsons from 27 years ago lol
And those are “only” halogen. It’s gotten much worse since then. Like you said, a sort of arms race.
I mean they also say “high intensity” which implies HIDs rather than halogens to me, and those require a clear cutoff unlike halogens/incandescents.
Its gotten to a point that seems impossible, just full clown world. Its gotten to the point that my favorite car to drive at night is my Fiero, because I am so low I am below most of the blinding lights.
It’s also common with European cars, which are much lower and yet have increasingly bright (and bluer?) lights.
The brightness is an issue, but the placement and angle are the bigger problem. Its the slippery slope of following american trends. Years ago Mercedes Benz (I think) put out a car that used IR light and a heads up screen (no visible headlights, just running lights) showing the driver the night landscape without needing to blind everyone. It was banned in the states, no real reason why but the idea went dead.
Was it banned in other countries too, or is there some other reason it isn’t used?
Cost, probably
Mercedes put it in the S-Class, their flagship. They can afford fancy extras there.
Makes sense.
Not sure, but the tech is old and tested (almost all cold war era things used IR lights). The issue is I think they can sell the super terrible bright lights as “safety” features. And a lot of consumer trends are american based and just forced on the world.
A German auto company isn’t going to pull a safety feature from the EU, South American, and Asian markets just because it’s banned in the US.
No but they will not also pursue one that is not allowed in the us market as hard. But then again times are a changin.
I think you’re over estimating the amount of influence the US auto market has had.
Without actual headlights I’m certain someone would pull out in front of you, people are dumb
Running lights are a thing, and I see enough people driving with only them at night now.
It was banned in the states
UV scare. They had to use UV lights to make it work. But they weren’t on the same wavelength as say a tanning bed but people made a noise about it anyways.
No IR not UV. Not the same wavelength UV and IR are on the opposite sides of the visual spectrum.
This is so cool…I wish this would have taken off. I had to find some videos to see what you were talking about in action so I’m sharing here:
https://youtube.com/shorts/pxUod6Sx5w8
https://youtube.com/shorts/sg0pG0V3JIE
This third one in rain is wild:
It is proven tech! It was used in WW2 for shits sake!
What can any of us do about anything? Everything sucks ass and I have no idea what to do. Should I talk to my literal neo nazi neighbors until I’ve somehow successfully re-educated them? That’s fucking stupid and not possible. The second they turn around from our conversation, they see a television, in their own house, in all the restaurants, in every waiting room in the country, blaring FOX News.
Going over to a Facebook market place pickup, and seeing a dude with Fox just playing in the afternoon on a weekend. I was just like “you really choose to do this in your free time?”. I felt nothing but genuine pity. And I got a pretty cool green enamel sink for free, so I wasn’t about to say anything.
This is a US and Canada problem. This is basically a non-issue in the rest of the world.
There are two standards for headlights, one established by the UN that applies to 99% of countries. Whereas the US and Canada have the other standard that is far worse for glare.
The global standard has strict rules on glare, requiring a sharp cutoff line at the top of the beam. The american regulations do not have this. American regulations do not account for headlight height off the ground, defining alignment purely with angles. An SUV or pickup with its headlights mounted above your eyeline can legslly shine the fullest part of its lights directly into your eyes at all times. In contrast, the international regulations account for height, and require tall vehicles to incline their headlights further downward to avoid dazzling other drivers.
This problem can be solved for new cars instantly by switching to the international standard. The auto industry is international. They sell in markets with the global standard and could switch their headlights immediately after a change in the law. This is an easily solvable problem.
If you’re saying that it’s not a problem in Europe then I can’t imagine how bad it is in America. I get blinded by taller vehicles all the time on the road in Denmark. I also don’t think most people’s automatic high beams work correctly.
Bad like turning down the rear view mirror, covering the side view with my hand, and then asking a passenger to cover the other side view. Then still having a cabin full, and I mean evening reading under a tree full, of light.
Bad like deciding to pick one single line or marker, maybe a painted, solid white line that’s right in front of my front passenger wheel, and concentrating on following just that one line for the whole duration that the truck is headed towards me in the other lane. Because I can’t see anything if I’m just looking around. I need to concentrate on one thing to be able to decipher the image.
And my eyes are great otherwise. I have perfect color perception. I prefer to hike at night without any light, even if it’s moonless. This shit is just out of control. The stuff coming from the factories is bad enough, but these magats who make their vehicles intentionally harmful to others in every way they can, really make driving extremely dangerous for everyone.
a painted, solid white line that’s right in front of my front passenger wheel
Important technique
It’s gotten so bad in the Netherlands, too. Especially with newer BMWs and Audis. Since both our countries don’t make cars, this probably is true in all of Europe.
It is.
Totally agree. I’ve never even been to the American continent and I feel OP’s question. I wrote a top-level comment further down.
Anyhow:
automatic high beams
This is a thing now?!
I shouldn’t be surprised. The stretch of motorways I use every day has tunnels, and I noticed that many if not most newer cars’ tail lights get brighter inside it. And I’m not imagining this. And it makes no sense when you think about it; if anything, it should be the other way 'round. It’s just more computer-made gimmickry designed to rope in customers.
(Yes, lights need to be on also during daytime in this EU country.)automatic high beams
This is a thing now?!
I think it is in the us. I dont really know if its every car but recent models of even inexpensive cars have it and it works pretty well
I’m all for this - people are idiots and the technology is generally good now
actually I’d go further and mandate active matrix headlights on every new car. People really are self-centered idiots and headlight glare is a real problem. Time for the technology nanny
Time for the technology nanny
We already have that - it’s called vehicle inspection
I don’t think this is true anymore. We have standards for headlights with much sharper cutoff and even allow active matrix headlights now. But that won’t help until it’s been true long enough for most cars to have this.
In addition to general asshatedness, there’s definitely a regulation issue.
- many states don’t do annual inspections Much less care about headlights
- how the eff is it legal to sell led headlight inserts that fit standard headlight fixtures, with a wink and a nod that “they’re not intended for headlights”
Thank you for the informative text, but it is definitely a problem in the rest of the world too, at least in Europe. The front lights of cars have gotten too bright for urban settings, and perhaps there are just too many cars around, to the point I have read and heard dozens different people in recent years wondering if it’s just their perception.
Driving a bicycle at night on the side of a road is impossible if you are not equipped as well with a sun in a box.
Because consumer protection and regulation seems to have stopped being a real thing after Reagan. Since then everything good has been legacy agencies patching at the edges where they had authority (all gone now thanks to the Supreme Court - see Loper Bright Enterprises v. Raimondo).
Buckle up. It’s only going to get worse.
(This is extra ironic because buckling up is only even a thing because of consumer protections. So I guess get ready to be thrown through a windshield.)
its just so american to only think in a timeline of presidents :) always gets me
i guess adaptive headlights were also invented by reagan
Your overlord’s president is also your president
My apologies.
Deregulation happened completely randomly in a vacuum like a decaying lump of a radioactive element with no cause.
In all seriousness though… yes, ALL changes happen in a sea of social, economic, and political factors, but someone pulls the trigger, and it’s fair to point at the gunman.
Adaptive headlights only recently became legal in the US.
That’s because a significant amount of the regulatory agency leadership is appointed by the executive and follows their policy priorities?
It’s all part of The Shittening
We haven’t. Many states have new laws on the books about this issue, and others on the horizon. The issue is that they approved at one point, so there will most likely be a grandfather clause for existing ones on the road because you can’t force car manufacturers to go back and recall all these things to be retroactively compliant with a new law at cost to them. Not how laws work.
You can ban the sale of super high power bulbs, though. all of the bright headlamps fail (even LEDs, eventually…) and they simply get replaced with compliant bulbs.
It is less about the output in lumens of the lamp, but more about the angle and color temperature.
In most cars, the difference between regular headlight operation and “brights” has nothing to do with the output, it’s about the angle of the beams. Of course, when you angle the headlights up so you can see farther down the road, now you also point them at oncoming drivers eyes.
The scourge of “blue” headlights amplifies the problem. They’re no brighter, but they are more uncomfortable to stare down.
In most cars, there are a variety of ways to fine-tune the angle of the beams with often little more than a screwdriver. The problem is that most people have no idea that they need to be adjusted. This is why regular inspections are important as well as some sort of standards that can be applied across a wide variety of cars.
The reality is that correcting poor angle on headlights is a trivial task, should only take a few moments. Additionally, most modern headlight systems are active and can adjust the angle by pointing the lamp down or using shutters or individual LEDs to change the angle or beam pattern. Eventually, this will just be an irritating thing of the past, but it will take a number of years before every GM truck and SUV is off the road as well as a lot of current Hyundai/Kia products (anecdotally observed by me to be the worst offenders).
LED’s generally outlast the car
Not the PCB flea-bay ones. Not ten minutes ago I discovered yet another 194 bulb fritzingTF out on my car that the previous owner had installed. This is the fifth one that has crapped out. I only notice because I rarely drive at night and my car looks like it’s spazzing out.
I work in auto parts. I processed warranty returns for about 5 years as my main task for a while. We didn’t get many led bulb warranty/defective returns. Hella, Sylvania, Osram, Heliolite, and can’t remember the other brand we typically sell. Those brands have very very few returns that weren’t “we fucked up and ordered the wrong part”
Just stop buying cheap shitty bulbs from cheap shitty suppliers
That would be my recommendation as well. I would guess that the temu bulbs fail because they don’t seem to have any practical means of active cooling No heat sinks or other mode of heat dissipation. Couple that with likely bottom-shelf cob leds, and you are now piloting a seizure-mobile.
Myth. LEDs do not last. Led house bulbs also suck, and die all the time. Led headlight literally go out on 2 year old vehicles, ive seen it often, usually Chevy’s if i recall.
The whole “led lasts forever” was a scam.
Which brand led bulbs are you buying, so I can avoid them? I have bulbs that I use daily when I’m at home, and a few are getting close to 15 years old at this point.
Feit
I wouldn’t ever buy from them, I had to wait months for them to answer a simple technical sales question about capability on one of their lights. Only got an answer because I sent another email after months and ruined some ones KPI lol. Them not answering within a week disqualified them
They can last forever, or you can push them too hard with too little cooling to save money. Almost all bulbs seem to do this.
So Chevy cant design a proper circut. Check.
Of course bad designs overheating the leds do lead to some cars models (and brands) burning out their LED’s, but as a general statement its still true.
My Acura MDX has permanent LEDs, they cannot be changed without buying a complete new headlight assembly. I’ve been driving it for 11 years and have never had any of them fail. They will outlast the car.
Wasteful and terrible idea for repairability. I’ll take my sealed beams and 1176 generic bulbs that are user serviceable. Have you seen the cost of those headlight assemblies ? Also, get in 1 small fender bender or a deer you’re looking at maaaasive repair bills now.
Any fender bender means massive repairs. I’ve been replacing bulbs for over 30 years, it’s nice to have great visibility and not having to worry about bulb replacement. I totally get your point, but it’s a non-issue for me altogether. I’ve never had to replace them up to this point, and I’ll never have to replace them in the future most likely.
I’ve driven it for so long at this point if I get in a fender bender it’ll be totaled anyway. They’re mathematically engineered to last between 41 and 68 years. That’s one cost I’ll never have to worry about.
Makes sense ! I just dont like non replaceable parts.
It gets worse when you combine super LED brights with matrix headlights that are marketed to “allow the high beams to remain on even with oncoming traffic”.
The last part: it can work like that, with a transition period
