The expression “cheetahs run fast” is true, even if a slow cheetah, for example a wounded cheetah, is still a cheetah. Thus, the expression “men are trash” is true, even if a non-trashy man is still a man. The insistence on saying “not all men” every time someone says “men are trash” is just a new demonstration of the problem.
(I’m a cis man myself, BTW.)
Edit: this article explains it better than I could.
Yikes that’s sad. Another generation of men hating femcels shooting themselves in the foot because of inherited prejudice. There’s a big difference between calling out bad actors within your group (which I do with fellow guys regularly) and being misandrist. Seems like you got henpecked pretty hard
Maybe. But an analogy can be rightly used or wrongly used. Racism use this analogy to speak about genetics, biology, to spead hatred; feminism use this analogy to make changes in men and manhood, and spread respect. The difference is essential.
It’s the old paradox of tolerance, but applied to respect. Respecting oppressors wont bring respect. And we men oppress women as a “demographic”, even if we don’t individually want to. I know I individually don’t want to, but I know my privileges, and if a woman passes me alone on a poorly lit street, I know she is not in danger, but she cannot know that and will have good reason to be afraid.
I don’t want for women to be afraid anymore, I don’t want men to be called trash anymore, but the solution is to stop, as a “demographic” and not as individuals, to be dangerous for women. And the first step is to recognize the problem!
And who largely occupies positions of power, whether political, economic, cultural or social? Men. And women who proved that they can be man-like. Society is trash because men are trash.
What percentage of a group needs to be considered trash in order for the whole group to be called trash?
Every group has trash people. Is every group trash? Are all women trash too?
If I met a woman who was trash, and then went online and said “women are trash”, would that be acceptable?
What if I happen to live in a place where I’m surrounded by trash women unproportionally, would it be okay for me to declare all women as trash, because that’s all I have ever met?
Where do you draw the line? How do you measure when enough people in the group become trash, so that it’s okay to call the whole group trash?
One could understand “men are trash” as having the meaning “every single man is trash”, which would be in line with racism as you say. Or one could understand it as “the group overall is trash”, meaning any individual member isn’t necessarily trash.
The latter meaning is in some senses a matter of data - men are extremely overrepresented in e.g. violent crimes.
Which, again, doesn’t much about the individual man.
Because of the current cultural context, yes. Even when you add “overall.” But I’d be completely open to you elucidating that you are referring to some non-racist point.
If there’s been a history of people stating this about a group meaning every single member, then you need to assume that’s what they mean. I don’t think that’s the case with men.
Not saying one meaning must be assumed over the other, you’ll have to depend on cultural context to understand the deeper meaning.
Compare for example “men can’t give birth” vs. “men love sports”. The former clearly intends to say “all men”, the latter intends “the group overall”.
And we are talking about men from nearly 100 years ago. I think a lot of progress has been made.
My point is thats besides the point. Generalizing the negative nature of an entire group of people is what the nazis did, what the imperial japanese did, what racists do, what rapists do, what homopbobes and transphobes do. You can call out misogyny without aligning your behavior with these horrible people, who’s behaving like this is exactly what brought about this kind of mistreatment in the first place.
No entire group of people is trash. This is the same thinking behind misogyny and racism, and is the exact kind of speech that breeds incels.
Really crazy to see people continuing to defend statements like that in 2026
The expression “cheetahs run fast” is true, even if a slow cheetah, for example a wounded cheetah, is still a cheetah. Thus, the expression “men are trash” is true, even if a non-trashy man is still a man. The insistence on saying “not all men” every time someone says “men are trash” is just a new demonstration of the problem.
(I’m a cis man myself, BTW.)
Edit: this article explains it better than I could.
Congrats on being the first male femcel I’ve seen on the internet
I’m a married man with daughters. I want a better world for them.
If you want a better world, maybe start with yourself and end your discrimination.
Do you actually believe that men are negatively discriminated?
I don’t need to believe. I just need to look at what you yourself have commented on this thread.
Yikes that’s sad. Another generation of men hating femcels shooting themselves in the foot because of inherited prejudice. There’s a big difference between calling out bad actors within your group (which I do with fellow guys regularly) and being misandrist. Seems like you got henpecked pretty hard
I’m no misandrist. I’m just capable of reading statistics. Our world is not safe for women, and if you deny that, you’re a part of the problem.
Plenty of racists claim not to be racist. This doesn’t make their racist opinions suddenly not racist. Nice try tho
And plenty of people are accused wrongly of things, this doesn’t make the wrong accusations true. Nice try tho.
I’ve seen the same analogy used to justify racism.
Maybe. But an analogy can be rightly used or wrongly used. Racism use this analogy to speak about genetics, biology, to spead hatred; feminism use this analogy to make changes in men and manhood, and spread respect. The difference is essential.
I’m pretty sure calling a demographic trash is a poor way to spread respect.
It’s the old paradox of tolerance, but applied to respect. Respecting oppressors wont bring respect. And we men oppress women as a “demographic”, even if we don’t individually want to. I know I individually don’t want to, but I know my privileges, and if a woman passes me alone on a poorly lit street, I know she is not in danger, but she cannot know that and will have good reason to be afraid.
I don’t want for women to be afraid anymore, I don’t want men to be called trash anymore, but the solution is to stop, as a “demographic” and not as individuals, to be dangerous for women. And the first step is to recognize the problem!
So your solution is to act as the oppressor to force a whole demographic to stop oppression?
No.
Is your sex not also based on genetics and biology?
Yes, but violence and power-thirst is not a biological trait of men. It’s a cultural one.
So it’s society that’s trash, not all men.
And who largely occupies positions of power, whether political, economic, cultural or social? Men. And women who proved that they can be man-like. Society is trash because men are trash.
So you’re just a misandrist pretending to be feminist.
There is somw biology involved regarding hormones etc., but yes that is a good point to make that distinction.
What percentage of a group needs to be considered trash in order for the whole group to be called trash?
Every group has trash people. Is every group trash? Are all women trash too?
If I met a woman who was trash, and then went online and said “women are trash”, would that be acceptable?
What if I happen to live in a place where I’m surrounded by trash women unproportionally, would it be okay for me to declare all women as trash, because that’s all I have ever met?
Where do you draw the line? How do you measure when enough people in the group become trash, so that it’s okay to call the whole group trash?
One could understand “men are trash” as having the meaning “every single man is trash”, which would be in line with racism as you say. Or one could understand it as “the group overall is trash”, meaning any individual member isn’t necessarily trash.
The latter meaning is in some senses a matter of data - men are extremely overrepresented in e.g. violent crimes.
Which, again, doesn’t much about the individual man.
So would you say “Black people overall are trash” is a racist statement?
Because of the current cultural context, yes. Even when you add “overall.” But I’d be completely open to you elucidating that you are referring to some non-racist point.
If there’s been a history of people stating this about a group meaning every single member, then you need to assume that’s what they mean. I don’t think that’s the case with men.
Not saying one meaning must be assumed over the other, you’ll have to depend on cultural context to understand the deeper meaning.
Compare for example “men can’t give birth” vs. “men love sports”. The former clearly intends to say “all men”, the latter intends “the group overall”.
If you read that from this meme, you might need to go back to school to learn some literacy a bit more.
And we are talking about men from nearly 100 years ago. I think a lot of progress has been made.
My point is thats besides the point. Generalizing the negative nature of an entire group of people is what the nazis did, what the imperial japanese did, what racists do, what rapists do, what homopbobes and transphobes do. You can call out misogyny without aligning your behavior with these horrible people, who’s behaving like this is exactly what brought about this kind of mistreatment in the first place.