• Decq@lemmy.world
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    Personally I rather they don’t bother. I don’t feel like hearing their dumb bitching and whining again for years to come. They wanted out, so stay out. We’ll talk again in 30 years.or so.

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      I think that we, as EU, should just not care about it. They want, good, they follow our rules. They don’t want, still good, the still have to follow out rules to sell something in EU. I don’t see the problem here

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      With a customs union they can bitch all they want, they won’t have a vote or any say on European policies.
      Personally I’d like for EU and UK to cooperate more instead of less. Cooperation creates progress. We can see how ending cooperation is harmful on both sides both with Brexit and with Trump.

      But UK can never get their former status back in EU. Not even in 30 years.

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        If they want in a customs union with the EU. they can join the EAA. No need to treat them like they are anything special.

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          I’m guessing you mean EEA. And Norway has very specifically stated that they have no interest to be tied in with UK, and why shouldn’t UK be able to have their own deal like Switzerland?

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      They didn’t want out. Putin wanted them out and found willing recipients of his money in Gill, Farage and friends. Combine that with a jolly hockey sticks Old Etonian leader who didn’t put any real punishments for lying in the referendum laws and Vlad’s your uncle.

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        They didn’t want out. Putin wanted them out

        Putin managed to topple the US, GB and is about to topple F and D soon. How can that be true? The intelligence agencies can’t be that bad and the media not that cheap to buy.

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          agencies can’t be that bad

          They are worse

          the media not that cheap to buy.

          It’s even cheaper

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              FSB is as inept and stupid as everyone else is. The US wasn’t even brought down by the proper agency, it was like 10 rich deeply insane Russians and couple dozen of students who know a bit of python and a bit of English.
              US society was barely held together by the assumption that everyone else shares your craziness, and was absolutely, totally unprepared for the possibility that someone will lie on the internet.
              To be honest, it’s more or a human condition overall, you need to have very specific training and education to even attempt to resist it, that’s why LLM has this tight of a grip on stupidiest members of humanity

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                it was like 10 rich deeply insane Russians and couple dozen of students

                How come the US can still defend against any political movement that comes from within?

                To be honest, it’s more or a human condition overall, you need to have very specific training and education to even attempt to resist it

                Can you elaborate a bit, please? I don’t understand this.

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        I always found that to be a cheap cop-out. It’s your vote, so your responsibility to check the information you get. If you’re not willing to do that, you shouldn’t be voting.

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          Maybe, but voters get used to normal elections where we do have some protections against outright lies, as the likes of Phil Woolas have discovered, and against elected politicians being paid mouthpieces, as Neil Hamilton and now Nathan Gill have found. We’ll never know why Piggy Cameron did not include better protection against lying in the referendum laws.