• mjr@infosec.pub
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    4 days ago

    They didn’t want out. Putin wanted them out and found willing recipients of his money in Gill, Farage and friends. Combine that with a jolly hockey sticks Old Etonian leader who didn’t put any real punishments for lying in the referendum laws and Vlad’s your uncle.

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      3 days ago

      They didn’t want out. Putin wanted them out

      Putin managed to topple the US, GB and is about to topple F and D soon. How can that be true? The intelligence agencies can’t be that bad and the media not that cheap to buy.

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        3 days ago

        agencies can’t be that bad

        They are worse

        the media not that cheap to buy.

        It’s even cheaper

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            FSB is as inept and stupid as everyone else is. The US wasn’t even brought down by the proper agency, it was like 10 rich deeply insane Russians and couple dozen of students who know a bit of python and a bit of English.
            US society was barely held together by the assumption that everyone else shares your craziness, and was absolutely, totally unprepared for the possibility that someone will lie on the internet.
            To be honest, it’s more or a human condition overall, you need to have very specific training and education to even attempt to resist it, that’s why LLM has this tight of a grip on stupidiest members of humanity

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              3 days ago

              it was like 10 rich deeply insane Russians and couple dozen of students

              How come the US can still defend against any political movement that comes from within?

              To be honest, it’s more or a human condition overall, you need to have very specific training and education to even attempt to resist it

              Can you elaborate a bit, please? I don’t understand this.

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      3 days ago

      I always found that to be a cheap cop-out. It’s your vote, so your responsibility to check the information you get. If you’re not willing to do that, you shouldn’t be voting.

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        3 days ago

        Maybe, but voters get used to normal elections where we do have some protections against outright lies, as the likes of Phil Woolas have discovered, and against elected politicians being paid mouthpieces, as Neil Hamilton and now Nathan Gill have found. We’ll never know why Piggy Cameron did not include better protection against lying in the referendum laws.