Is this implying that a horse cocked boy whose daddy bought him a fancy car could be taking something? Or are we just shaming a body type and class for comedic effect?
I hope the joke is about calling out a sexist value judgement while engaging with sexist value judgements.
Yea, just shaming a body type, and encouraging a terrible way of thinking.
If his penis looks like a horse, it may be worth encouraging him to seek medical attention.
Is it not normal to have a penis sleeve that keeps it up in your body until you need/want it down to your knees?
Eh. Good message wrapped up in weird body shaming, class shaming, vaguely misandrist ‘rhetoric’.
This aint it. It’s close to it. They’re the same aisle. But it aint it.
I’m also not convinced that teaching your kids that sex is a non event is a good idea either.
Also I’m confused about what’s wrong with the Honda civic, if you got one with all the optional extras it would be quite expensive, not that matters, but it’s just a weird vehicle to have chosen to indicate lack of money. Should have gone with something like a Nissan Micra, it would have still been the stupid take, but at least it would have made sense.
I see it kinda the same way as anything else, say, riding a bicycle: something normal, that is likely going to be part of your life and that you’ll enjoy doing, but don’t really need to if you don’t want.
Sure you’ll remember your first bike fondly (or not) but you can have others and your most memorable memories are most likely from the trips you’ll take later.
Why destroy something many people value, just because you don’t? Sorry your first time was shit.
Actual sex ed is, as usual, the answer to these kinds of situations. I’d guess way more critically so for the Civic boy than Pony’s daughter, since Pony seems open to actually discussing some shit with her daughter, especially if Civic boy actually gives a fuck about virginity.
…oh, and guillotine construction. Definitely don’t forget the guillotine construction.
He’s not taking, he’s giving her a ride on the dick and in the Honda civic. Focus on the giving not the taking.
Yes, he’s giving her a UTI.
Women: Lmao men with small penises are subhuman xddd
Also women: Why are men so insecure about their penis size
It’s the same woman?!
Based on my personal experience with misandry, yeah.
Not all women asking why are men e.g. insecure about penis size, are shaming men for their penis size. As most women aren’t misandrists.
But all women shaming men for e.g. penis size, turn around and ask why, and are really upset about misogyny, while happily engaging in misandry.
Some men do it too. Obviously.
I’ll have to defer to your experience, since I have never had a conversation of any significance with a woman openly shaming men for their penis size. We spin in different circles, I suspect.
She’s extremely busy since the rest of us have no individual opinions or agency.
This is far too radical.
The Honda Civic is a reliable car with a solid price point.
I love my Honda Civic!
That was 6 years ago now. How time flies. <3
Here’s the best feature a car can ever have.
Kitties on the dashboard screen!!
Here’s a more recent picture. One of the wheels had a valve stem hole that wasn’t in line with a lugnut hole, meaning the wheel covers wouldn’t fit. I bought an OEM wheel to replace it and put the wheel covers on, and it looks way better now.
143k? You’re gonna have to replace that thing in another 100k miles or so.
Here’s a snip of the odometer from my 1997 Prelude from four days ago. ;)
Do they really die that early? I thought civics were supposed to be simple and reliable
That first pic makes it look like a Subaru.
I have a Honda and love it too.
Don’t you mean a scubado?
I had an EG hatch back in the day, now a WRX. The Civic was more fun. The Subaru makes me feel grown up. Gotta do all these adult things like change the gearbox fluid when you’re actually supposed to, else the gearbox explodes like a dropped beer.
What model year is that? My dash looked nothing like that, but was way old, like 2012 or so.
It’s a 2012. It’s the first year of the 9th gen so yours would have been between 06-11. Not a lot of exterior differences between 2011 and 2012, but the instrument cluster did get a pretty radical overhaul.
Mine was a 2012 as well, actually :) Didnt look like that tho :) probably different markets rather than either of us being wrong :)
Also model year and first registration date can and do differ and which one is used to say what year a car is, largely depends on where you’re from.
I traded up my civic for a bolt. It felt civic-minded. Cuz man i got the lemon.
Loved that civic, but zero regrets. This ev is way better.
Yeah, and my dick is big godamnit.
🎵Drive a Civic, drive a Civic🎵 (backup vocals) 🎶A car you caaan trust!🎶
I think Pony is speaking from experience. She must have had a bad time in that car.
Not the modern ones. They eat headgaskets for brekky and aren’t nearly cheap enough
A Ford Fiesta then
“I refuse to teach my daughter about virginity. I will instead teach her to judge a man by his car and penis size.”
Every heterosexual man who is comfortable with their masculinity and sexuality will, at some point int their life, want a dildo shoved up their ass - because that’s where the g-spot is.
Hate to break the news to you. But you opened up a thread for discussion, and inside it, you found discussion. You did actually ask for it.
Ever shove a pipe cleaner down your peehole?
You’re thinking of the P-Spot
I feel like this point could be made without insulting her daughter’s future partner
Yes. You can remove the exaggeration from jokes to turn them into statements and make a point.
Oh right, negative stereotypes and shaming are fine if it’s for a joke
The point made in this joke is that the size of a manz boxers and bank account determine his worth.
According to the mom, if he pulled up in a Ferrari with a pringle can, her virginity as a concept would be relevant again.
That is what our patriarchy teaches us, is it not? That we must be providers and fertile to have value. It’s our role as men, no?
providing and fertilizing are good things. expensive cars are bad things.
Providing and fertilizing are options, neither good or bad. I agree with the rest of your statement.
Why would providing and fertilizing be good things?
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Will someone please think of the hypothetical children!
Or the Civic!
Imagine how he must feel
What a stupid take.
Virginity is special because it’s your first time doing something very intense, intimiate and potentially painful and overwhelming. You need it to be with someone who cares about you so they can make it a good experience. It’s not some victorian-purity BS, it’s actually practically sound.
Disagree, there is nothing special about virginity. I was 18 and horny, I just wanted to get some dick so I did.
It should at a minimum be with someone who also wants you to have fun too, but past that it’s not special at all.
It’s not special in some cosmic sense. You’re not losing a part of your soul.
But as the other dude said, you’re experiencing something very intense & intimate for the first time. That moment is significant for the vast majority of people.
Yeah that makes you somewhat of an outlier. Most are below 18 and want it to be with someone they care about
But i think that’s exactly the point being made, there shouldn’t be that much pressure on it because it is very often disappointing. Building it up in your head as a moment that will define you often has no benefit to your life.
Bible shaggers will disagree for obvious reasons, but nobody is going to them for measured romantic and sexual advice.
Have sex when you feel ready. Make it special if you want to. No need to make it an implicit societal pressure.
It’s disappointing because we don’t talk more about what it should be like. We don’t expect men to do better about it. If someone had taught me how important it was and what things were at stake for women’s first time, I’d have done it a lot differently.
Many women, if not nearly all, carry trauma from their first time as well.
It should be talked about, in that we agree. Sex ed should include what to do, what to expect, and how to have fun as well as protecting oneself.
I am also a woman and I have no trauma from my first time. It was with my bf at the time, but it still wasn’t anything special.
Unfortunately the fact that it wasn’t traumatizing is pretty special, you just never needed to find that out fortunately
I would like a source on most if not all women experience trauma from losing their virginity. Because my experience really isn’t that special.
It was fumbling, silly, nervous, sure. But not traumatic.
I think thats exactly why this sentiment is being fielded.
It allows a separation from what can easily be a less than pleasant experience that society often puts a lot of pressure on.
That actually makes it worse. Trauma is healed by being acknowledged, not trivialized.
Consider the consequences of associating what you consider a defining moment of your sexual identity with trauma, forever.
Consider then, a mindset where that moment does not define your sexual identity.
In which scenario would you expect to feel better.
What you’re saying is how to deal with an event after it happens, the topic here is how to shape your expectations before the event, to avoid a worse fallout. Regardless of how negative the experience is.
Again, disagree. The average is not much younger than I was, 17 is closer to average (at least in the US). And I didn’t say it shouldn’t be with someone you care about, I said, there is nothing special about virginity.
First times of everything is considered special throughout all cultures, it goes without say that the more intense and intimate the more special.
I’m not going to argue with another woman just because I disagree, just know that I’m not that much of an outlier and virginity doesn’t have to be some special thing. It’s just penis in vagina or other variations of genitals that one’s satisfy sexual orientation. Not all women carry trauma from the first time having sex, I carry no trauma other than he couldn’t finish because he was nervous.
If we stop treating it like it’s something special and instead as a natural part of life, maybe people can talk about it more openly instead of treating it like it’s a taboo subject.
I’m happy to hear that for you.
I don’t know a single woman who’s not been traumatized by their first time.
And I know plenty who haven’t been traumatized. Anecdotes aren’t evidence.
What if you weren’t lucky enough to have that experience though?
It’s not worth a life-time of disappointment and self loathing.
Maybe the message ought to be about caution around sex generally rather than a single experience.
You can teach a concept and encourage teenagers to have some care about their first time without heaping any shame on them.
Virginity is special because it’s your first time doing something very intense, intimiate and potentially painful and overwhelming.
Why doesn’t karaoke get the same special category?
You need it to be with someone who cares about you so they can make it a good experience
Nah. Can help. Can hurt. Not a requirement.
How intimate are your karaoke sessions?
Because in karaoke your genital orifice is not penetrated by a foreign object for the first time
Karaoke is way more intense than sex if we’re being honest. Like the vast majority of people lose their virginity all on their own with no financial incentive, but a huge chunk of people wouldn’t sing karaoke ever, even if you offered them like ten bucks
Karaoke is not a comparable situation regardless
Seems like it has been compared just fine!
well now you tell me.
Lmao
So? Why should sex be special cased?
Clearly not because
it’s your first time doing something very intense, intimiate and potentially painful and overwhelming.
because then we’d have karaoke virginity too. And many other things.
So for you karaoke and being internally penetrated is similar, that’s fine. But I’m assuming you have the command of your senses to realize that this is not a normal point of view, peobably not a healthy one either.
Similar in that they can both be, your words, “intense, intimiate and potentially painful and overwhelming.”.
I’m going to argue that the “normal” point of view that holds losing your virginity as a big fucking deal (pun intended) is in fact unhealthy. It’s often bundled up with patriarchy. It really doesn’t need to have all the brouhaha. That creates a lot of misery and hangups.
You’re not proving that it should be a special case. You’re just acting like it’s self evident.
Incidentally,
You need it to be with someone who cares about you so they can make it a good experience
Also applies to karaoke.
So I don’t believe you when you say
It’s not some victorian-purity BS,
Yeah, go tell sone of your female friends in real life that karaoke is comparable to their first time.
I’m sure you will, because they’re totally comparable and you’re not a troll, right?
I’ll wait for your screenshot showing how they reacted.
No further replies until then.
You’re doing a bad job of arguing. You made a claim. I offered a trivial counter. You’re not updating your claim. You’re just saying “nuh-uh”.
You could try arguing that the degree is different, but as someone said that’s not true for everyone. Some people are really casual about sex! From the start! And some people would never, ever, do karaoke.
Even if you were factually correct (you are not) your argument is structurally unsound.
I’ll see what my friends say in the morning
As if anyone learns about the concept from their mom anyway.
Let’s smash the patriarchy without classist bullshit. The implication here is that only a man with an expensive car could possibly be taken seriously as a romantic partner.
This is typical american carbrain shit. Is there any other country where the kind of car someone drives is even a consideration in choosing a romantic partner? I’m dating your car.
Well the US is definitely the only country in the world where everyone’s obsessed with the iPhone and the whole blue vs green text bubble.
All due respect, I’m not getting that impression at all. In context it feels more like saying, “Virginity is bullshit, don’t save yourself for Prince Charming–go ahead and fuck the Civic owner with the small dick, you can’t lose anything by it!”
She and I could get married, but I’m spoken for. This is the kind of attitude I think mothers should teach daughters. “You’ll fuck (but be safe). He’ll also be inexperienced (still be safe). You’ll find out about good sex as an adult (don’t stop being safe!). And when you’re at the point that safety isn’t a concern, well… heh. Don’t worry about that for now.”
Maybe explain it to the daughter , teach them objectively, then let them choose?
