I think it is rather questionable to express that any of the real world practices of the porn industry is “outside the scope” when judging the real world practices of hooters. I think it is shameful that hooters doesn’t have very clear guidelines. I think it is shameful to make “jokes” that could make someone uncomfortable in such a dynamic. And okay, the man is probably lying to his wife and speaks in vague terms. He probably wants to look at the servers, but does he do more? That is your assumption. Understandable one but an assumption. So let’s grant that he makes weird jokes to the servers. Is he really less of a creep when he would watching Mia Khalifa porn? Of course, as Mia probably wouldn’t know that he specifically is watching, he would cause less harm in a sense, but the question is not harm reduction but being a creep.

I don’t see how you conclude that e.g. the man in the post plans to bend the rules at all.

The rest of your comment is disappointing. You know that I didn’t mean that a customer can’t sexually assault a server or former server. I meant that if the server quits, they are not longer being sexualized as part of their job and unless people are fucking creeps, their former employment should continue to sexualize them.

Also well it is a regrettable career. That doesn’t mean you have to regret it. But it is certainly regrettable like any other career. And women like Mia Khalifa have expressed regret in the past and yet while she was expressing regret, porn videos of her were widely available and consumed. That is what I was talking about. Not that the career is always ending in regret.

Thanks, I enjoyed explore the topic with you. Ch00f is doing a good job that expressing their thoughts. I am not convinced but I respect their effort and skill.

Yes there is a difference.

A customer of porn could share that porn long after that actress quit the industry and has publicly expressed regret.

A customer of hooters can’t force the server to continue to be sexualized at hooters.

But let’s focus on your example,

A customer could break rules at hooters, therefore consume porn and don’t go to hooters?

I guess my question would be creepy in perception or creepy in behavior?

Perception? sure, fine. Behavior? I think sexually dehumanising behavior would be what we would call creepy.

But I think a call to action (what the original comment was) to not be perceived as a creep… idk.

I would agree with you on that notion, while i think strip clubs are weird as fuck, but then we talk about personality and not behavior.

The original comment is a call to action, it is about behavior and not personality.

So it is less creepy to engage with porn than hooters while porn is arguably far more exploitative and dehumanising than hooters because the creep is interacting with the woman?

I really don’t know if I agree there and again, I think very poorly of hooters and their customers, I am not defending it.

I don’t know what to think about this.

While I don’t intend to visit hooter, strip clubs or anything alike and I think people can be creeps even if they are acting completely within the consent of others.

But how is a man who wants to go to hooters a creep but a man who wants to consumes porn not? The exploitation of women in porn is arguably worse because while they consent to the recording (i mean if not… I don’t need to continue my point) oftentimes they sell all their rights and lose all control over the recording. Consequently there is no backing out if they no longer want to be seen like that. (Of course, there are other issues) If you work for hooters, you know wtf is going on before you were hired and if you quit, you are not longer exposed.

So what is creepy about hooters but not about porn?

Is it the simple fact that the man seeks out some kind of sexualized interact with the woman?

Oh interesting, technicalities like? I wrote to a bunch of politicians and I was assured that they rejected it on principle.

Maybe they lied to me. But why would they lie to me but not the general public? Maybe the EU is a bunch of politicians and they all have their own opinions.

“Europe… the guys that want backdoor into all encrypted communications” is a weird thing to say considering that every attempt of such a law failed because they didn’t have the majority.

“Europe… where a minority of politicians have continually failled to get a backdoor into all encrypted communications” would be far more accurate.

In my life, I made a very different experience.

And I believe:

Sexist beliefs, traditions and norms are not only held up by men and ultra conservative women. We all do it together and as long as we act that we don’t do it as a collective, we will continue to fail young man and women and turn more people into toxic sexist idiots.

Like?

As a serious question, what makes you feel like you have to correct a deliberate choice of a word? What about that choice makes you feel like that? What bothers you about it?

Yeah, but also (step-)mother or some aunt or grandmother, maybe even girlfriend. Not only men are pushing these “traditional” values.

Manosphere being a toxic shitshow of harmful beliefs and self-sabotag is nothing new.

But in 1 way, it is very different to an abusive boyfriend. The abusive bf doesn’t necessarily start off being abusive or not as obviously so. The bf adapts to you and slowly undermines your confidence. The manosphere has it in their advertising material. The people fall for the manosphere are not slowly manipulated and abused by the manosphere. The manosphere is the new abusive boyfriend after the breakup with the last abuser. When the abuse already has been normalised and kinda wanted because at least it is “familiar”.

So what is the first “abusive boyfriend”?

That is a good point while honestly I can’t think of a vague group like “others” without thinking of including my e.g. mom and also a random person from who knows where. We are brothers and sisters. And I don’t understand how i could have learn anything else from Jesus’ teachings and I am now a non believer.

“I do kneel” is a wild abbreviation for antifa.

They usually don’t do it professionally.

As i understand it and what is interesting to me, is that they f… A programmer, not programmers and that exclusively and professionally.

A professional programmer f… wow that is a job?