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Unfortunately you’re up against marketing types, and they don’t know how to be quiet. Every time my company has an all hands regional meeting, the chat window is always full of marketing types profusely congratulating each other in public. It’s painful to watch
“Learn how to shut the fuck up for like 30 seconds.”
I hate that our society endlessly rewards people that are highly social, early birds with money. I didn’t grow up with any of that.
Introversion feels so mainstream now. Anybody remember the “antisocial social club” sweaters? Or all the pop songs about feeling left out at the club/party (Lorde and Charlie XCX have a few of these I think).
I’m pretty sure the internet has a big part to do with it. The introverts loved the internet. You could lurk, find communities around niche interests, post anonymously, etc. And then the internet blew up, and the internet veterans became the cool ones.
Internet veteran, and not even a properly old one I just remember AOL on CDs: nah we aren’t cool, the net is full of normies now.
Wow that name invokes more than I feel it should, especially since it refers to continued Usenet adoption. Eternal September.
I remember explaining to a friend that you don’t have to pay for AOL or Microsoft Online to use the internet. And installing TCPIP into the network, and adding dogpile to a browser for them. Flabbergasted.
“start masking yourself because you make other people uncomfortable”
It was fine when extroverts expected introverts to exhaust themselves conforming to a society that values you and not them.
But I’m an extrovert and do this too cause there’s way more introverts than extroverts and they all find me overwhelming and/or annoying
“There’s more introverts than extroverts” hell naw, it’s the opposite. There’s way more extroverts than introverts in the world, unfortunately
Could you be neurodivergent?
We’re on lemmy, what do you think?
we are all neurodivergent on this blessed day
During the pandemic, our CEO did a company-wide meeting and told us to reach out to extroverts because they were really suffering. And yeah I get that but can’t the extroverts just reach out to each other and save everyone else the hassle? I mean that’s already kind of their schtick.
Same at our company. People had to get therapy because of how horrible everything was and how hard it was to be isolated and work from home.
Meanwhile I had never been happier in my life. No one interrupted my work, I had all communication in writing on slack, and I could take micro breaks and throw a load in the washer or handle some small task during the day and still get hours to spare and money saved due to not having a commute.
I often think that “return to office” was “extroverts want a captive audience and don’t care how miserable they are.”
That, and some people really thrive in an environment where their communication lacks a paper trail because they’re duplicitous assholes.
I remember saying at the time that the lockdown was basically the world flipping from Extrovert World to Introvert World temporarily, and as an introvert who essentially has to live permanently in Extrovert World it was wild to see how quickly and utterly the extroverts fell apart when they had to exist in Introvert World even for a short while. And it wasn’t just like “oh they’re unhappy.” It felt legit dangerous, they were ready to burn it all to the ground.
People were taking flights to podunk US towns just to go to bars because they were all closed in large coastal cities. Crazy.
A lot of them moved permanently. I live in a podunk state and yeah. When we got the vaccine, there was a whole new crop of established people at the bars and they were all assholes.
As an extrovert it’s like a 1:10 ratio
The funny thing is, introverts were struggling too I’m sure, they just didn’t tell anyone about it like the extroverts did
Struggling to find an open grocery store in the middle of the night so I could shop with nobody around, sure. (Lots of formerly 24 hour businesses are still closed by 10 now, annoyingly)
24h grocery stores where awesome during covid. I really miss going shopping at 3 at night.
Now I’m back to: hungry? maybe going to sleep will fix it
Yeah, I miss not having to remember what time the grocery store closes.
Being confined to the same house as an extrovert? Yeah, that was struggling.
You don’t get bonus points for suffering in silence
Lol ok?
Well it’s a false dichotomy, so they weren’t just talking to the introverts.
Oversimplified, yes. But false dichotomy?
Which personality typology system are you basing that under, and what other attitude types does it add over extraversion and introversion?
I’m basing it on my own experience and understanding of reality, no “personality typology systems” involved or needed. Not everything is graphable. People talk about getting social energy from interacting with others vs. getting it from being alone, I feel I get social energy from food and sleep, just like the rest of my energy. I enjoy being alone, I enjoy being with people, sometimes I want to do one over the other, but neither predictably more than the other. I get tired from being awake and active for long periods of time, how many people are or aren’t around me doesn’t change that. Like I don’t even think it’s a spectrum between the two, that’s still forcing an arbitrary dichotomy that I just don’t think truly exists. Ultimately it comes down to prescriptivism vs descriptivism, and the latter is always going to be more “true” than the former. It’s great if other people find the comparison helpful for understanding themselves and true to their own experiences, I simply don’t. And if I don’t, I know there are plenty of others that don’t, because I’m exceedingly average and no one is that unique.
All that you said, is precisely what Jungian Psychology teaches. Like I said, oversimplified, yes. False dichotomy, no.
What you described is known as the intuitive introvert. We don’t have a club. Make your own jacket.
The majority of people see it as an either/or issue and I’m of the belief that usage defines the tool, not the other way around. To me, that’s a false dichotomy. If there are a bunch of other distinct categories people can fall into, extrovert vs introvert is just one set of many possible facets of personality-type interactions to be compared, they’re certainly not the two ends of a binary spectrum. Having read this article on intuitive introversion,, I can confidently say that doesn’t describe me either. If you feel that article isn’t an accurate representation of the archetype, I’d be happy to read something you think is and reconsider. Ultimately though, we might as well skip alI that and you could just read me my horoscope, I’d find it equally useful.
You read. I am not on the clock. I am not here to diagnose you. I do not need to be accurate. I do need to use more examples than just my own on these casual things but I digress.
I did not give you a reading list on purpose. So you wouldn’t read it as a Wikipedia article and would instead read with yourself in mind.
I understand your frustration because it is literally mine. But words matter. Personality as described by the laymen usage of only the main attitudes (as in the meme and your gripe) is akin to use a Mendel square in Biology to map out hereditary traits.
A tool of abstract simplification over a vastly more complicated subject. But not a false dichotomy.
P.S. Your horoscope says that your cornflakes are crossing your piss and are being an asshole.
Lots of people in here talking about the false dichotomy completely missing the point of the post: Society puts a lot of pressure for people to be extroverted but not the other way around.
Well, somebody could argument that being social is a necessary/desirable skill for individuals of a species that needs communities to survive/thrive
It’s not a disease or character flaw, for fuck’s sake.
Annoyed introverts are not convinced
for true. we have become so addicted to external stimulation, that it has become a bad thing to keep to yourself
That someone is an introvert or extrovert is a false dichotomy, everyone actually occupies the gray area in between and can fall on different places along that spectrum at different points in their life, or even in different situations through a single day.
Also, feeling put-upon by clickbait articles from garbage publications…c’mon
But people do consistently tend towards one end of that spectrum or the other. I’m several decades into life and no one would have ever considered me extroverted. My brother is the opposite.
Introvert means our social batteries run out around people. There’s nothing to fix. We don’t get energy from having to navigate social situations like extroverts do.
I didn’t say there’s anything to fix, except maybe people’s perception of themselves as all one way or the other
Imagine a room full of extroverts. This would essentially be a circus without audience.
You think extroverts are incapable of observing and listening?
Not always but mostly yes
The extroverts I met usually get along very well
A lot of people can’t tell the difference between extroverts and covert narcissists
Its just a horde. Somebody gets lynched within like an hour.
Got me considering making that fit the swimming meme image. Y’know the one.
- introverts supported
- extroverts splashing around struggling
- ambiverts drowning
I don’t know if that quite works though. Heh.
Take any concept, put it on a spectrum and name both ends, and people will never stop using it as their entire identity. Be just as useful as deciding if we are all gryfindor or slytherin.
Thank you! No part of the intro-extro spectrum accurately describes my personality “type”, it’s as uselessly nonsensical to me as astrology. If that kind of things helps you live your life without treating others differently, go for it, but I find that’s rarely how it goes (case-in-point, this comment section). To me, it’s all meaningless pigeonholing.
Just goes to show that everyone falls on a spectrum between providing mutual aid and hurting fascists.
You gryfindor scum would say that!
It definitely is seen as a problem to be fixed
Because it scares the “others.” They don’t want your thoughts quiet in your head. They want them out loud where they can assess and judge you.
There are so many terms or pairs of opposites that should be totally neutral, but are in fact valued very obviously and often in a completely unspoken and subconscious way.
What I mean is, ‘extrovert - introvert’: both terms just objectively describe something. They do not value one over the other, and everybody who thinks about it for a few minutes should understand that it’s about finding a balance. But society (or something) values ‘extrovert’ as “good”, opposed to ‘introvert’, and you will find it very hard to overcome that even if you see it.
As I said, there are many more (pairs of) terms like this. Another would be ‘freedom - rules’. It’s very hard to argue in favor of rules when the other keeps saying “but freedom”.
Society also values waking up early for some reason.
As an introverted night person I really feel this lol. Also society absolutely does not respect any deviation from this. I actually tried it once a few years ago, I was out of work temporarily but I had enough savings that I was okay for a few months, so for the first month I just decided to recharge. Part of that was keeping to my natural sleep cycle, which is to wake up sort of late-morning-early afternoon and then stay up late to like 4-5 in the morning.
I had no work pressure to be up early, so it was only social. I told all my close friends I was doing this, and I was putting my phone on Do Not Disturb while I was asleep, so in the mornings I was essentially unreachable. Almost every single one of them said “Oh yeah no worries” and almost every single one of them ignored it completely and I’d wake up with a bunch of missed calls and texts. Some of them got properly mad. Someone called me and I didn’t answer so they came over and started knocking on the door. None of it was for anything important, all of them were told I was going to be asleep.
It’s the same for working from home. People just show up wanting to hang out as if you have the day off, or ask you to watch their kid or whatever. Same thing, you can say to them “I am working at my job, if I was in an office would you show up there for this?” And they’ll say they understand, then a week or so later it’s back to the same thing.
I realize this makes my friends sound horrible lol. They’re not, I just meant to illustrate that society in general is really weird about anything that doesn’t fit in the normal boundaries.
