7 rounds of interviews. Over 3 months of calendar time to accommodate everyone’s schedules and finally a two week pause in process as it carried into holiday.
“So everyone agreed that you would be a great fit for the role and that you deserve a place here at [Huge company], but It came down to you and one other candidate who was internal, the difference ended up being his company experience”
Cool.
They’ve already selected the boss’ incompetent child for the position. Of course it’s in management.
Data mining CVS resumes and letters. Selling it.
plus using it to screen other CV/resumes out too, tale as old as time.
not available, because they internally hired but dint want to seem discriminatory, or to game government tax schemes for hiring people, they are usually super specific to the point you cant get that kind of skills experience anywhere else. even LAB tech positions are like this, i highly suspect this was meant to hire visa holders, by the amount of “tasks” they want people to do.
What’s worse is the reverse and it happens more often: Posting a job and then hiring from outside rather than promoting from within.
Because no manager wants to lose their low paid competent worker. So instead they hire the outside person for the senior position.
Tbf promoting from within isn’t always a silver bullet. Especially when it comes dev -> manager pipeline, some people are just good at what they do but shitty as managers.
Oh sure, but you don’t know until you let them try.
Yep. At one point my company tried to hire an architect from outside to lead our engineering team. Our software is very complicated, even ignoring the codebase and only looking at the business use cases. It takes years before people become somewhat familiar with it.
That guy noped out after three months and literally gave the product’s complexity as the main reason. Complete waste of money.
They eventually promoted one of our senior devs instead and he absolutely killed it. Modernized much of the codebase and dev processes because we were still acting like a startup at the time. It’s insane they just didn’t go with him from the beginning. He saved the company many millions of dollars that will never show up on a bean counter’s spreadsheet.
My leading hypothesis is “management is stupid”. It explains a lot of this sort of thing.
Management lives in a different reality. I’ve never worked in a back office environment, but everywhere I have worked even “hands on” middle and upper management tends to stay in their bubble. On the rare occasion they do site visits there’s plenty of warning, so store managers scrimp on labor during the leadup and then overstaff relative to normal conditions to make sure everything looks perfect. It is very difficult for middle management and up to get a clear picture of what is actually happening because there’s no incentive to be honest. Being honest actually gets you punished, because when everyone else lies honesty makes you look incompetent.
they thought it would be cheaper if they hire a new person, because a new person is not likely to be fully vested into benefits if you were working longer.
I worked at a shitty movie theatre for years and was promised an assistant general manager position - as in, showed my name tag with the position. Learned both front and back of house, worked literal 100 hour weeks (no OT, no benefits because “entertainment industry.”
Instead, they hired a random sociopathic woman who was lazy and did nothing at all. Not only verbally abusive, but also physically assaulted me. Absolutely tanked morale and they started hemorrhaging employees.
did they ever gave you a reason why they hired the lazy woman.
I recently applied for a management role in another organizational unit. My role has considerable overlap with that work area. They decided to only consider external candidates after the first round of interviews.
They settled on someone that doesn’t really have relatable experience. I’ve had to train them on so many things. It’s just demoralizing.
A project I did is getting written up in a national (industry) publication soon. It represents the type of work that I interviewed for.
But fuck me, right?a research position?
Not necessarily…a lot of places will only hire from within so they don’t actually have to pay market prices to attract outside talent.
Then that low paid competent worker searches for employment elsewhere. That’s what happens at my company.
I used to work for a professional theater and per equity rules we were required to hold auditions in NYC for three days to cast a full time resident actor. About 200 people applied. Some flew in from CA, AZ and FL. Many others drove or took a four hour train ride in to audition. I was told to just go and enjoy the process because the position was already filled by someone who was regularly doing extra work for us. He didn’t even audition.
The bishop of a cathedral once told me how he was hiring a new music director and had over 50 resumes on his desk to peruse. An applicant knocked on his door saying he was interested in the job. The bishop looked at the applicant, looked at the pile, looked at the applicant and hired him on the spot. He was there for 50 years.
Not to sound like a boomer, but please god, tell me in-person hiring is back. I desperately need to get out of a toxic situation, and I shit you not, have applied to hundreds of listings without a single reply.
in government positions, search is sometimes mandated.
i once competed for a job for which i was the current temporary contractor, and they asked me to write the job description.
somehow i got the job. does that count?
I can see how thst’s kind of productive assuming they needed a template for the job description so they could use it in future if you quit
They’re called position descriptions and just about every job in fed gov has one, probably a third of them are standardized, and other third are just lightly modified standard PDs.
Companies in a private sector do similar things in Europe just to demonstrate that there was some hiring process even though they already knew who they wanted to hire.
I think mandating search is good but they should have a clause for a case like yours
I literally saw a job on LinkedIn that started with “Must have 30+ years experience…”, then gave a highly specific laundry list of requirements and was only open for 3 days. It was obvious that was a mandated post for an internal promotion they were doing.
Hey, at least that is so obvious nobody is going to waste their time applying.
For those wondering, this literally happens in the corporate world where for whatever reason, there are either rules or laws that require other candidates be vetted even when you’re promoting from within. I’ve seen it first hand more than once.
Sometimes management already has someone in mind for a job but corporate policy is it must be posted. Hiring is always a risk and people will try and derisk by hiring a known quantity but for those who don’t know this already they are going through the already arduous task of applying for something they were never going to get.
…and then lays off 10-20% of the workforce, followed by posting some more ghost openings to make the shareholders comfortable
Not sure about this situation but I know my company interviews for jobs in order to get redundancy picks. Interviewed someone for a position that had already been hired for, then three weeks before they job was supposed to start the guy phoned and said he wasn’t going to continue with the company for the position. The person that was interviewed late got a call back and hired.
We hire for a short term seasonal job and people screw us over all the time by accepting the job and then continuing to look for a better one and bailing at the last minute, so we have to interview a lot of people as backup options. Had three people bail last minute this year, one of which we didn’t have enough time to re-hire for and had no backups so now we have to try and cover it on top of our normal duties which is a big strain.
seems pretty common, they mightve had other interviews with better offers at the same time, probably went for the better offer than your company.
there is an offchance that some applicants are cherry picking which they apply to multiple jobs, get one call back and then bail because they were hoping for something else to come along and applied to your job as a placeholder, eventhough other jobs having responded to them yet.
No all three accepted offer, signed employment letter, went through a certification test that’s required for the work and cost the company $100. Then 2-3 weeks before the start date they say they got a better job.
We hire early to make sure certification can get done, which is why there’s a lag before start date. It’s an outdoor seasonal summer job usually university students.
sounds like the first option, they found a better job while yours was a contigency plan.
Those application fees are a source of revenue for the company!
As far as people I want to violate most, HR of Spectrum is top of the list. They fired me for using the bathroom of my preferred gender. Not technically. Technically, I used the “wrong” bathroom before being grilled for hours on end by HR and security to be let off on a technicality they forced in skillful manner. Y’know, they forced me to contradict myself on my interview when it was a bullshit question. Still got fired. I’ll molest HR til the end of days because of that, because I know they’re fucking people harder than me.
You should lick their shoes and thank them for giving you a chance of interview.
I mean, technically they didn’t make anyone apply…
They didn’t make them apply.
They made them apply FOR A POSITION THAT WASNT ACTUALLY AVAILABLE.
yw
But it was available. Just internally.
