Maybe get JD Vance to endorse Republicans? That should finish them off
We are all Hungary, and it’s time to eat.
Eat the what?
the rich
The big orange chicken!
or whom?
Didn’t they just end up electing another conservative?
Conservative by European standards. Some of his policies would be called radical socialism in the US.
That’s interesting. Which policies would you be referring to?
Higher taxes for the wealthy to fund social programs, universal healthcare, parental leave, increased minimum wages and worker protection to name a few things.
Okay this is different from another reply I responded to. Those things sound radically more left leaning than him simply being an institutionalist.
Big if he could get this done, I hope he can.
Things like term limits, independent media, independent judiciary.
Gotcha, so he’s more of an institutionalist.
I’m not in favor of autocrats so I agree it’s a win that Orban is gone. From an american perspective, I’d still consider him conservative even if his objectives are to strengthen institutions.
My response was more subtly tongue in cheek. He’s absolutely an institutional reformer, and he has his work cut out for him so much that it would be shocking if he had the political space to do anything but that during his term.
I was poking fun at how even letting the judiciary do their jobs in the US seems to be accompanied with screeching about “RADICAL LEFTIST JUDGES”, media capture in the US with the FTC, and Trump’s repeated floating about removing term limits to stay in power (which also, incidentally, are the things that Tisza is focusing on fixing in Hungary).
The thing is, the stuff the other commenter was pointing at is the status quo atm. It’s not so much that he’s for those things, he just doesn’t want to rock the boat while he has so much to do already.
Most of policies actually lol. Here hes a conservative right winger but in the usa he would count as a radical liberal communist at this point.
Peter Magyar was even in Victor Orban’s Party “Fidesz”, and formerly the husband of Orban’s Justice Minister Judit Varga. Then two years ago there was a schism over a pardon of someone who covered up child abuse.
His new party “Tisza” is conservative, centre-right, but also pro-European and anti-corruption. I hope it wasn’t a mask that drops soon, but I don’t know enough about their politics, to say much.
You’re right. One thing important thing I would add is that he’s also anti-Putin. He will also put Hungary back into the ICC.
There’s more nuances to it than just conservative. He’s pro eu, Orbán was a russian shill
He’s still a conservative, being pro EU only means he wants to push far right policies on the EU as well.
Paula Poundstone is doing her part, above and beyond the call of duty for any patriot. Go post-trump USA!
While I agree with the sentiment, I’m not sure if the current democrats have enough of a spine to oust the sitting president, even if they get enough of a majority…
Vote in the fucking primaries so you can get better democrats.
Voted for Bernie
DNC: “best I can do is HRC”
Keep at it, or people like Bernie won’t even try.
Down ballot is even more important, because those are races you can affect. There’s only 15-20,000 people voting in most US House primaries.
I agree with that sentiment, shame I’m not actually from the US. My in-laws are but they’re (allegedly) too disconnected from politics to care. I still feel like they might be closeted Trumpers that don’t want to openly say so but who knows.
Even if they aren’t, they are satisfied with status quo apparently.
Well I have been hearing them complain more about it being more difficult to make ends meet. Perhaps that’ll finally make them rethink their political stance.
I mean just stating the endless facts, would be enough for a somewhat sane person to grasp how fucking awful this current administration is. There’s endless fuel every day. Just collect a list of the worst stuff, you can still fill the whole day with a fairly neutral list of facts… That should be enough motivation to vote them away…
But if they don’t care, some facts won’t change that.
And if they believe that Kamala would have been worse, you are done.
sane person
If you don’t care about getting poorer everyday, well you probably aren’t a sane person. Unfortunately the amount of insane people in the US seems to be growing for some time I guess…
You think if the most unbelievable thing happened and a Democrat won every election to somehow hold both a majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate, they wouldn’t toss him out?
Conviction in an impeachment trial needs 67 votes. They currently hold 45 seats. In order to get to 67, they’d need a clean sweep of all Senate races.
Even then, what’s the over under on a convent count of turncoats that vote against because we “just need to come together and heal the nation.”
Ah yes, the Schumer classic.
67
god damnit
Yeah it’s possible
Damn. Well that’s some quality cynicism.
Tbf at this point it’s well earned. The Republicans are still not switching positions about Epstein, the 25th and other things and their voters sure as hell did, so one can only conclude the more cynical position, that is, there is so much corruption it takes more than an elite sex abuse ring for the Republicans to finally do something.
True enough
I assure you it isn’t offered willingly, I wish I could say otherwise.
Oh gee, i guess it’s better to vote Trump then…
If Democrats think we’re mad now wait till they see how mad we get if we give them a supermajority and they don’t do anything.
As someone else said here, vote in the primaries!
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/2026-state-primary-election-dates
even if they get enough of a majority…
And there’s the rub.
The House is one thing, the Senate another. Only 1/3 of the current Senate seats go up for election, and the majority of seats up for vote that are currently held by Republicans are from very safe Republican stronghold states. I don’t think there’s a chance that the Dems get control of the Senate, even if they gain a couple seats.
As for the “problem” Dems, Fetterman isn’t up for reelection. Schumer isn’t up for reelection. Kaine isn’t up for reelection. Shaheen and Durbin are at least retiring, but none of the other sellouts are on the ballot until 2028 at the earliest.
Best we can hope for is that the House flips to a Democratic majority (a supermajority is still beyond question) and that turns the next two years into an ineffectual lame duck Congress. But it’s not like that’d be all that different from the situation right now anyways, because Trump has demonstrated he doesn’t give a shit about Congress and will just issue illegal executive orders for everything he wants to do, while the courts twiddle their thumbs and maybe question the legality of his actions 10 years from now.
Didn’t they literally just file a bill to get him removed…?
Well, there’s a pattern with this kind of thing. File a bill on a popular issue when they’re in the minority, but just flat out ignore the issue when they’ve taken the majority.
Not feeling arsed enough to dig up examples, probably because I’ve given in to cynicism on the matter. But I doubt it would take much digging for anybody curious…
Edit: from my feed today-
Oh, wait, that doesn’t happen, so I’m the one imaging things. 🙄
There’s no such pattern. You’re talking out of your ass.
Sure, buddy. Whatever you say 🙄
“This is totally true, but I’m not going to give a single example. But trust me, it totally is”.
Yawn.
Couldn’t care less if you trust me. Don’t even care about your misplaced trust in politicians. Your loss, after all.
Cute.
Hungary elects their Prime Minister in parliamentary elections. US elects majority leader and speaker of the house in midterms (kind of). It looks like some people don’t understand the difference.
Hungary did not elect a prime minister, it elected a parliament. The new govnernment incl the prime minister is just a consequence of parliamentary majorities, which changed.
The US is an odd one, as it elects just a part if its legislative but it does elect that part nonetheless. While that won’t push the US president out if power, it could turn him into a lame duck. The destruction of the US democracy and state institutions relies on the legislative being complicit and staying silent.
Hungary did not elect a prime minister, it elected a parliament. The new govnernment incl the prime minister is just a consequence of parliamentary majorities, which changed.
Each party elects their party leader before the elections. The party leader pretty much represents the party during the electoral campaign. The system in Hungary is mixed so people vote both for a specific candidate from their district and party as a whole. The elections are as much about electing the next PM as the next majority party. In US you first choose representatives and then they vote for the Speaker of the House. You don’t really know who will hold this office when voting for one party or another in the midterms.
While that won’t push the US president out if power, it could turn him into a lame duck.
Trump rules by executive orders. A lot of things he does require congressional approval and he just blatantly ignores the law. The courts already confirmed that everything he does is legal and that even his illegal decisions are biding. Midterms will not turn him into a lame duck.
Still these votes are for Parliament/MPs on the ballot, not the prime minister directly, aren’t they. Yes, parties will campaign with a certain perdon as prime minister in mind, but that position is not directly elected, is it?
Trump can only rule by executive orders because the other institutions let him and majd no fuss. Things would get a whole lot mire diffucult for him if the majority in the legislative actually did make a fuss about it.
Still these votes are for Parliament/MPs on the ballot, not the prime minister directly, aren’t they. Yes, parties will campaign with a certain perdon as prime minister in mind, but that position is not directly elected, is it?
Technically yes, people vote for MPs but PM is running the government by selecting ministers and prioritizing the legislation and this is how he gets elected. There’s a great focus placed on the party leaders in the campaign and the person tagged to be the PM has huge impact on how people vote. The party can change him (and sometimes they do) but it’s still very important during the campaign.
In US on the other hand the midterms do not serve to elect on confirm party leadership in any way. Party leaders have job to do but they will not be running the government if their party wins.
Trump can only rule by executive orders because the other institutions let him and majd no fuss. Things would get a whole lot mire diffucult for him if the majority in the legislative actually did make a fuss about it.
The supreme court lets him. The legislative has nothing to do with it. Democratic leaders can make a fuss about things now but they don’t because they are useless. They will be as useless when they are majority. Of course you should vote for democrats now because humiliating Trump will be great for everyone but this will not fix the country the way elections in Hungary can. Those elections are not equivalent in any way.
Technicalities are important. Parties can campaign on that and peopld vote on it but there us no obligation, only majorities in Parliament. Things like that, the letter of thff es law start to matter especially during constitional crises.
Trump is nervous about the mid terms for a reason. His agenda of dismantlig state institutions, rule of law and democracy could run into a dead lock with an actively hostile legislative.
Trump is nervous because he’s a psycho who needs constant validation and humiliation in midterms can damage his image of beloved leader.
His agenda is fine. All the institutions are already dismantled. DOGE already fired everyone that can be fired, they got the budget they wanted, billionaires got their tax cuts. What will democrats do with the majority? Republicans will filibuster everything, Trump will not sign anything they will pass. Will they provoke another shutdown? Remember how the last one ended? Democrats folded. The midterms will not change Democratic leadership. You can cling on to technicalities but the midterms will not Budapest anything because the system is completely different.
Can’t we go Full Nepal?
In the words of a teacher:
I don’t know. Can you?
Our situation is way worse than Hungary. We need to go ”full France”.
I’d love to go full Nepal.
Rile up your local gen Z today.
EDIT : I didn’t realise it was Tv’s Frank when I first saw the text of the post
Revolution is inevitable
Is that TV’s Frank?
Holy shit I think it is
So fill congress with people who are better on one specific issue but practically the same on every other issue? Congratulations, we could be guaranteed a Republican victory in 2028 as Dems will become widely known as the party that does nothing but get in the way.
Excuse me, it’s two issues. The rest is business as usual at best.
I would personally consider Ukraine and the EU to be the same issue since he’s only supporting Ukraine to get in line with the EU policy (he doesn’t support Ukrainian entry into the EU and opposes sending military aid)
Context? What happened in Budapest?
Hungarians kicked their trump to the moon. Bang zoom.
hungarians voted Orbán out. he was basically their Trump
Trump for 16 consecutive years
Budapest, Mozambique, take your pick.
How many times do i have to say electorilism is not an answer and Magyar is also a far right ethnonationalist.
So, just get crushed?
Or did you have a pamphlet or something
Organize outside of government so many ways to do so from labor to support for various orgs to agtiting for political conscious on and on. Literally millions of ways.
I present to you the magic of doing two things at once.
All those thing still only build awareness and rely on election to vote them out. I thought you’re talking something more radical.
I am I was assuming you were going to answer about the lack of support such actions have and countered that by pointing out what to do while doing those actions so others will follow
Do both! DO BOTH!
Does endorsement by their socialist and green parties mean nothing?
If they had elected Orban again, would that make positive change more likely?
If Magyar was lying and goes further right, is revolution somehow less possible than it has been? Especially if Orban loyalists are gone/not-on-his-side and Orban policies are actually undone in such a way that future elections are more fair? (though that actually assumes their left parties can actually gain traction)
