Kinda reminds me of boot camp, using psychological attacks to break down men’s will and have him disregulated and complient
it makes sense they want robots, who wont question where and what to shoot.
pickup artists seemed to heavily reinforce the manosphere alot prior to the likes of tate, and peterson. and Gymbros fall for it as well. especially the ones that are make jokes about people who are not going to gyms, or they eat certain foods that the gymbro doesnt like, eventhough they arnt the one eating. they always make a snide or passive aggressive comment.(its none of your business)
Isn’t this basically what religion does, as well?
Some religions.
At-will employment too.
“You’re nothing special - easily replaceable. I’m doing you a favour by letting you have this job.”
Basically anywhere where a power imbalance is an intended feature, not a necessary evil.
In a broader sense, it is what cults do.
“Nobody accepts you… but us” “You will die alone… unless you help us” and so forth.
or… “They just can’t take a joke… but we can”
Exactly this. It’s the same playbook for more than just those two groups.
how else does incel communities capture more incels into the fold, by extension conservative politicians.
Some religions do, yes, and it works, which is why they do it. The important thing is to identify these behaviors and find social groups that will empower you instead of disempowering you.
Unfortunately, humanity is better at making people feel small than building them up. And the folks who succumb to this are likely already in a compromised state so it will be hard, if not impossible, for them to pull themselves out alone.
This is essentially cult tactics, yeah. As much as I loathe incels… Some of them genuinely need help.
The ones who are in too deep to literally start calling women “foids” tho? Throw them in the woodchipper. Dick first.
They’re in a decentralized cult. They all need help, but some of them need a lot more help before they’re going to be release candidate males
Ive never heard that term before. I’m guessing it’s some sort of shortening of “femoid” (a word I believe to have made up right now, but can imagine incels using regularly)
I’m sorry to tell you you’re exactly right.
a word I believe to have made up right now
if only
*sighs*
Yes, that’s literally a shortening of that, and “femoid” was a word they DID use constantly. And then they shortened it further to disguise it more, I guess. I’m sorry you had to find it out this way :|
they are so chickenshit they cant even admit they are woman haters, aka mysogynists. they dont like being called out being a mysogynist, so they disguise it as something else, like blaming them for causing thier own problems.
thats why conservatives have captured them as voters, give them something to hate: women, trans people,etc/.
5’8" (1.73m) here. Married for 13 years.
A touch shorter and celebrated 24 years married last month.
I’ve seen 5’2" guys who are regularly seeing incredibly attractive women.
I also know a guy whose face is not what one would call conventionally attractive but his personality means he’s often had his pick of men and women because he just feels good to spend time with.
even 5ft men can get with girls. girls can detect thirsty desperate , creepy men(nice guys) very easily. i had unfortunate experience of hearing and watching my olders bro pickup videos he always binged on. they all sound desperate and creepy.
Conversely, I’m 6’2" and chronically single
5’3" (1.6m) and closing in on 25 years. It’s amazing how far a bit of kindness, compassion, and a sense of humor can go.
You mean 4’20"
Aka the goated height
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Women always had height requirements, you just started seeing them written down.
Online dating certainly brought some new problems, but most women hate it too so if it doesn’t work for you the old staples of finding a partner through friends, a hobby or at work are still there, as well as specific dating activities.
Or just don’t put your height in your bio and be funny. Those “non negotiable height requirements” turn out to be very negotiable in a lot of cases.
How’d those lies taste coming out of your mouth?
Sorry, didn’t realise you were a lost cause. Hope you escape.
if men have requirements of woman, its only fair for women to have standards and requirements of thier own. its not a one way relationship, that only breeds toxicity, and women not dating you.
Really? For decades I was told it’s unfair for men to have requirements of women?
Men hate women, and women hate men. Men like vaginas and women like shoes. So let’s fight. That’s where I see society at right now. Am I wrong in any way?
I hope you find someone for you soon.
Look at the username. You are falling for bait.
Well I agree with him on Futurama at least.
I assure you sir, I am not trolling. All of my misanthropy is 100% genuine and of my own design. But in the words of Jayson Street, “I come with warning labels.”
Middle Age Pilot Yells At Clouds, Says GET OUT OF THE FUCKING WAY!
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Stop lying. No you don’t. You look like a Baptist saying he loves Jesus. Just who are you trying to fool? Whose brownie points do you think you’re earning?
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I don’t. I haven’t tried looking for a date since the pandemic and I don’t plan to start again. Women don’t want me, they want the quarter million dollars of real estate I own and the 2 million dollars of real estate I’m heir to. Well guess what? Unlike the majority of married men, I’m not losing my home in a divorce. I’m gonna die right there on my grandfather’s land on my grandfather’s couch and my three month rotted corpse will be found by police on a wellness check initiated by the town water company. I’m not gonna be taken to the hospital, forced to keep my heart beating after the stroke and live to be an 86 year old shambling corpse of a social security check for others to cash.
Hmmm, yes, no doubt it’s the women’s height requirements that are to blame, since you have such a sterling personality.
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It was an abusive exwife in my case, but yes. It’s abuse all the same. It does the same thing.
It isolates, it breaks you down, it makes you forget who you were, and then when you least expect it, they are no longer dependable for anything and you have nothing left.
And they feel nothing.
Yup, that’s why tate sold the worst dating advice in the world while being a sex trafficker, ensuring repeat business.
The solution to many problems in our Society is to make fraud laws stronger and prosecute them more fully
and “get rick quick” schemes with extremely bad trading advice, which require high memberships.
Study on men who are chronically single showed the common denominator: having extremely low confidence. Now that I think about it, this post corroborates the target profile of negging by abusers-- victims who have low self-esteem.
There are, for the lack of a better word, not so good looking men or short men having relationships, in one form or another, with ridiculously good looking women because these men have confidence without being too bragadacious. Of course, there are shallow women who go for looks alone (same as men), but there are just as many kind-hearted and less shallow women who prefer men with personality over looks and vice versa.
Low confidence and self-critical thoughts are what impedes chronically single men. Sometimes, it is indeed on the state of mind. And this vulnerability of lonely men is exploited by manosphere to create incels. I don’t have a solution to address the problem but this is a general observation.
yea, incelism is all about blaming women for all thier inadquecies, the reason they dont have a job, or they not tall, or they dont have large dong. or they are not hot. they could be looking the wrong places, if a psychopath can have a SO, so can “incels”
so many comments claiming this post blames or makes fun of men and incels that i went back and reread the whole thing… what the fuck are the lot of you even responding to‽ there’s nothing like that in the post, and on the contrary it says men are victimized by this. Jesus, some of you are really willing to take anything as a slight. beats self reflection i guess.
it doesn’t blame men
Is your point that manosphere is not “men” but… Idk, a subspecies of a very aggressive and mean bear?
manosphere refers to the online cult created by influencers like Rogan, Tate, etc.
you’re literally doing the “if you criticize Israel you’re antisemitic” bullshit for manosphere and misandry instead.
It doesn’t blame men, except those specific men and all the men who listened or fell for them
Is that your point?
(I’m going to ignore your personal attacks.)
please point to the personal attack in my comment
you’re literally doing the “if you criticize Israel you’re antisemitic” bullshit
calling out your bullshit is not a personal attack. a personal attack is an attack on someone’s person, not their actions. i commented on your actions.
If that were true, you wouldn’t be trying to derail that conversation but you’d got back to what exactly is your point here? Because I called your point bullshit?
Yeah a good few people are telling on themselves by feeling called out by this.
Lemmy becomes completely irrational whenever the words “male loneliness epidemic” appear, once you read that around here (and it shows up in the OP) you can skip the comments as nothing good will come out of the thread.
I kinda get it though
this post brings up some good points, but I want to be clear that turning men into women hating incels who will die alone is the GOAL of all this rhetoric. it doesn’t have to be that way.
if your reaction to this post is “women bad” you should take a step back and realize they’ve already gotten you to take the first step down the pipeline.
Podcast episode #120 (Invicil) from Reply All should be required listening in this day and age.
Invicil: How a shy, queer Canadian woman accidentally invented one of the internet’s most toxic male communities.
Man, Reply All was so good… It really bummed me out when I heard that PJ is a major bully/asshole.
Was that ever substantiated? I saw some comments saying that it was just a rumor, I didn’t really look to hard into it because the podcast was over by then.
Manosphere being a toxic shitshow of harmful beliefs and self-sabotag is nothing new.
But in 1 way, it is very different to an abusive boyfriend. The abusive bf doesn’t necessarily start off being abusive or not as obviously so. The bf adapts to you and slowly undermines your confidence. The manosphere has it in their advertising material. The people fall for the manosphere are not slowly manipulated and abused by the manosphere. The manosphere is the new abusive boyfriend after the breakup with the last abuser. When the abuse already has been normalised and kinda wanted because at least it is “familiar”.
So what is the first “abusive boyfriend”?
From what I could witness, most likely the “first abuser” is most likely a close family member, either the (step-)father or some uncle or grandfather - people who themselves believe in such values they call “traditional”.
Yeah, but also (step-)mother or some aunt or grandmother, maybe even girlfriend. Not only men are pushing these “traditional” values.
maybe in a ultra conservative household. but more than not its the man of the house that influences the male children more.
In my life, I made a very different experience.
And I believe:
Sexist beliefs, traditions and norms are not only held up by men and ultra conservative women. We all do it together and as long as we act that we don’t do it as a collective, we will continue to fail young man and women and turn more people into toxic sexist idiots.
This is true, but if even just one family member protected them from this harmful rhetoric, it saves hope for the kid.
Father’s need to support their sons, show empathy, and actually engage with their children in a meaningful way. Hug your fucking kids!
Elephant Graveyard said it first.
so is it just impossible for a woman to do something wrong or?
So what is the first “abusive boyfriend”?
For me it was high school. Constantly being treated like shit by my peers for being weird and quiet really fucked me up. Fortunately things got better in college and I didn’t fall into the manosphere crap but I very easily could have had I not found people to give me a break and help me learn to act more “normal” without being abusive towards me.
be 5’ 7"
not attractive to most women (aww)
every airplane seat feels like first class
live longer on average (aww)
workout once a week and look buff
no car is too small
sleep like a king in beds of any size
women generally trust you more easily cos your presence is non-threatening
You know it’s not that bad of a trade. Y’all sixfooters have fun with the girls.
I’m gay and everyone is the same height to me once you get 'em horizontal
I’m not quite 5’8, and I was in the Marines, where obviously size was made to be something, especially in the infantry, but I always used to just tell dudes that I’m harder to shoot, and in the unlikely event they get me before you, I’m easier to carry to safety. Fucking win-win as far as I’m concerned.
And with those days long behind me, and married with a short wife and hort kids of my own, I’m the biggest thing in the world to them. So just find an equally short person to spend your life with. Or don’t, nothing matter!
It’s true. Women trust me partially because…wtf am I going to do to them? Sit on her head? Bite her ankles? So, I’m one of the only two being driven by my co-worker nowadays. Bonus points for having given up on relationships, because even if I was in the mood for those, I don’t have time for no personal life.
This is top tier gaslighting. I dont know why people bend over backwards to blame anyone but women for the 6ft meme. Manosphere reacted to a real thing and grifted off it growing it into political campaigning but is was real sentiment experienced by men. I’m not short and I see it happen all the time. Women are open about it.
Before the 6ft meme the redpill meme for guys was to laugh at tall guys and call them skeles until height became a desirable trait and it reversed with short dudes getting laughed at for being manlets.
It used to be niche and restricted to internet cesspits but YouTube and tiktok really brought the most toxic parts of the redpill, pua and lookism into the mainstream. It started ironic as a joke mocking lookism but kids got sucked in hard and lines blurred.
I’m still pissed these people have managed to infect so much of the male fitness community.
So, you don’t know anyone who’s under six foot and is in a happy relationship?
how is that what you got from my comment? I have to tell myself you’re trolling to retain my sanity.
I dont know why people bend over backwards to blame anyone but women for the 6ft meme.
Your really going to blame all women for that? I know tons of women who haven’t even really given it a passing thought.
Even if it were a common sentiment, <15% of men are 6ft anyway so most will have to settle.
They never said the word all
No but it wouldn’t have hurt to use the word “some”.
They also never specified a woman or group of women either.
Which is why you shouldn’t assume they meant all women.
Why? We don’t know that person. They could have meant either option.
Which is why you should ask for clarification instead of making assumptions.
Well then their comment is pointless. There are shitty people everywhere. Men are rapists.
#notallmen
You’re saying all men are rapists?
Why shouldn’t he ??? women came out in droves during men’s mental health awareness day & to demonize it & no serious pushback was given.
I don’t know where you hang out, but I didn’t see that at all, that’s really unfortunate you experienced that. Where did you see people demonizing it? I’d like to avoid those places.
Men’s mental health is just as important as anyone else’s. Maybe even more so right now, as a group, many seem to be in crisis.
Corpos have targeted women’s insecurities for over a century to sell their ideas/products. They’ve gotten very good in recent decades capitlizing on this for men. It’s culture war bullshit so they can sell you fascism.
Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, mainstream news. The list goes on
Twitter, Reddit, Facebook, mainstream news.
So from social media, which amplifies fringe and minority opinions as if it is a reflection of real life.
Callin it as Fringe minority opinions is a common deflection tactic. They are still people saying things.
Do you realise how social media algorithms work?
I mean come on this is like saying “there’s toxicity in my league of legends chat!”. that’s the whole point, especially with musk at the top.
if it’s affecting you this much where you are developing these incel thought patterns you should get off the app.
First stop being a sex-obsessed creep. Imagine saying you don’t get to have opinions because you didn’t have sex.
You’re part of the problem. Invalidation is also a common demonization tactic.
where did I say that? I’m not trying to invalidate anything I’m just saying that those apps are well known echo chamber for those thought patterns. little weird to just bring up having sex like that, it’s kinda exactly what I’m talking about.
seriously though. if you have these thought patterns you should take one hell of a look in the mirror. I almost went down that path as a teen and it is ugly and harmful. there’s still time to change.
women aren’t out to get you. these things talked about online like height and looks mean nothing in the real world. that’s not an exaggeration, it really is more about your personality, so I suggest you try to understand why yours seems unlikable.
this isn’t a personal dig, as I said I almost went down that same path in highschool and I’m very glad I got out of it while I could.
You’ve literally made that up. The comment you responded to didn’t say that.
It’s your lie, tell it how you want I guess… Why are you punishing yourself by believing in such terrible ‘opinions’ from others? Especially online, you literally can’t verify who’s human anymore. You could be getting upset with someone purposely creating rage bait. Opinions are like assholes mate. Bullies only bully to pull a reaction. They’re getting it with you, why let them do this to you?
I’ve never met a woman who only focused on men’s looks. Never. Looks for many women come after personality. Confidence sans arrogance wins that race mostly.
You appear not to have peace inside, just making shit up…you don’t have to live life with such dark outlook. In fact, you may be creating a self fulfilling prophecy in doing shit like this.
lol, quite literally blaming men for everything as usual.
Honestly you arent fucking wrong.
If a woman has a series of bad experiences with a series of asshole dudes and decides she is done with it and would rather be single everyone claps because she is empowered. If a guy has a series of bad experiences with a series of just horrible women and decides he is done with it and would rather be single he is an incel and men are the problem.
Some dudes are incels because being a garbage human being with no regard for the feelings of others isnt limited to men. Women can say and do cruel shit too. I watched my 5’3 buddy ask a girl out and get “Ewww” instead of “No thank you” this shit doesnt happen in a vacuum.
i never heard of a single man being called an incel lol, only when start saying incel things, then yes. nobody cares otherwise
& here we have a fine example. What are these “Incel things” ?
Mysoginists don’t represent men, like misandrists don’t represent women.
Well men ARE society’s punching bags, society either wants men dead or enslaved. (E.g: Conscription)
Update: Well look at that immediate dislike
