i’ve never heard someone think this way before, so it did shock me but idk how to feel about it. so, basically, he said that while the general belief seems to be (the stuff i’ve come across) that you should try to help a depressed person feel better and talk them out of (idk how much i can say) doing something bad to themselves if they’re considering it, that it’s actually selfish to do. he also said that people who feel/think this way are angels being called to heaven because they were too good for life on earth, and that you should respect a person’s wishes to die or a depressed person’s wish to not get better or else you’re a toxic and bad person.

i’m just curious because i don’t know if i can trust or agree with much of anything my ex says because of how he treated me and how he’d make fun of my mental health and make mean jokes/bully me for not wanting to talk to him because he’d ignore me and my anxiety, he’d just laugh at me when i said i was depressed or anxious.

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    Complicated answer. I do think suicide should be a human right (but you should have to be proven to be of sound mind and that it’s not for lack of social support, so mostly only painful terminal disorders). That said, your ex got to the conclusion of “people should be allowed to kill themselves” in a way that approaches the concept from a bizarre spiritual system that allows it to ignore pretty much all known ethical and moral standards.

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    you should respect a person

    But

    he’d just laugh at me when i said i was depressed or anxious.

    His statements and actions are only consistent in a single way: maximising the harm felt by people

    Do you want to trust him? Does trusting him feel good in any way?

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      thanks, i got a bad feeling from his statement anyway, i was wondering the general consensus from others. i’ve mostly moved on, thankfully, and i just blocked him.

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    that you should respect a person’s wishes to die or a depressed person’s wish to not get better or else you’re a toxic and bad person.

    What utter bullsh*t, colorful camouflages of selfishness and cynicism. You better don’t follow that path.

    Compassion, loving, caring, helping each other. These are the proper thoughts to think and things to to.

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    That’s scary and it sounds like he’s advocating for people to not empathize.

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    Your ex is bonkers and you deserve better.

    Ignoring for the moment that he’s an asshole who made fun of you (don’t ignore that, but do ignore him), the whole ‘angels called to heaven’ thing is bizarre. It’s easy to label this as religious fruitcakery, but practically all churches demonize suicide. After all, if the afterlife’s so cool that everyone is tripping over themselves to get there, then there wouldn’t be anyone left on earth to exploit.

    If he had a religious upbringing, then maybe he’s messed up because of internalized homophobia or trauma. Often those families and communities pay little regard to mental health. But that’s entirely his problem, he doesn’t get to treat you like that.

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    Yes, he is toxic. It sounds like he simply doesn’t see any intrinsic value to life that is not his own. You are better off that he is an “ex”.

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    He sounds deeply depressed. He doesn’t understand that depression is something you can recover from. At this point, he genuinely may not want to recover from depression. He may subconsciously choose hopelessness from the start to protect himself from disappointment and failure.

    There’s no sure-fire way to get out of depression. It is very individual. If there’s a problem with you not receiving a basic human need, you’ll need to figure that out and address it. You also need to learn to talk back to your negative voice and redevelop positive goal-setting. Sometimes it takes a long time and most of this occurs subconsciously, as you adapt to the circumstances around you.

    But when you do recover from depression, you feel better. The depressed person just can’t see it in the moment. Ex’s approach is kind of like not saving someone drowning in a pond because you think they’ll drown on land too. There’s a before and an after that makes a difference here.

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    I find that alot with religious types. jesus personally flys them up to heaven on his winged unicorn. its not surprising religion gets so easily warped into whatever people want it to be to rationalize their thoughts.

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      that you should try to help a depressed person feel better and talk them out of (idk how much i can say) doing something bad to themselves if they’re considering it, that it’s actually selfish to do. he also said that people who feel/think this way are angels being called to heaven because they were too good for life on earth, and that you should respect a person’s wishes to die or a depressed person’s wish to not get better or else you’re a toxic and bad person.