Not just influencers, but also politicians and news media. I have a master’s degree in statistics, and it’s not at all uncommon for politicians and media to misrepresent scientific results. Correlation does not equal causation. If a study hasn’t been peer reviewed, I wouldn’t say that it proves anything just yet. Studies on a non-representative sample aren’t generalizeable to the population as a whole. And so on…
As someone who is an expert in one area and as dependent as anyone else in others, and who also hates appeals to authority -
To me, the correct stance is that any should be able to question things that don’t make intuitive sense or that one suspects might be a perspective motivated by financial considerations instead of expertise.
Note that I said question. Not invent your own replacement fever-dream explanation.
Questions require good-faith attempts to find information and understand.
Not pitch something where its main virtue is that it makes ignorance feel good actually.
There’s a reason peer reviewed studies are so important.
It’s literally other people with knowledge on the subject questioning the results of a study until everyone agrees to the conclusion.
It’s not just one person pulling something out of their ass and saying “Look! This thing!” and everyone just going along with it. It’s questioned and proven multiple times.
I just want people to trust. Being skeptical and wanting to learn is perfectly fine, but also, people do go to school for these things for years, you know? Have a little a faith they aren’t lying to you.
By “you” I just mean people generally, of course.
You’re both spot on. We live in a deliberately low trust society with grief merchants heckling experts for the sole intention of division.
I don’t know how we can get back to a high trust society, but it did exist once, and I think the first step to it is education and the reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine in the media
I dont mind if people stream but sometimes the exaggerated thumbnails with their stupid exaggerated expressions is so fucking weird. Like it smells like LOOK AT ME.
Use the “dearrow” browser expansion. It’s a game changer
Good luck making the pigs stop eating slop
We need to start tellingmtjmem to close their mouths because we dont want to smell the shot in them whenever the pigs start talking.
they basically started the whole pseudoscience movements, a couple of fake diseases: morgellans, Chronic lyme was all coined by midwestern moms having psychosomatic, delusional parasitosis events. i went to other forums, and the symptoms they described are not of infectious diseases, by some mental illness they describing.
Maybe we shouldn’t perpetuate dunning-krugerization such that everyone feels they fully understand the effects of a magnetosphere on orbital mechanics after a one paragraph explanation. The sense of ‘ownership’ and ‘mastery’ people seem to have of a field after
ingestinglicking like two facts is really disappointing.Based on what I see in this thread, I find more of an issue to be media. Mainstream media can walk the line of truth and falsehood and make people think a certain way. Anyone who sees that can be redirected to an online source, which can be anybody from Jane/John Infantbrain to legitimate scientists. Being an influencer doesn’t preclude being a specialist, academic, etc., but the average person isn’t going to determine or care for the difference.
You say this, but I got banned from a sub for being a corporate shill for trying to explain to what I’m pretty sure was a 13 year old kid that AI is not going to dissapear and that it’s not just a fun toy used to make shitty TikTok videos
I would explain what AI Agents were and how they worked and what they did and I was told I was a troll that like to suck my bosses dick… and then I was banned
My job? Software engineer. Been one for over 20 years.
Those same people that called me a troll, a shill, a company man that liked to suck my bosses dick; the mods that banned me; they are all probably here right now talking about how stupid it is that people don’t listen to experts…
You’re a 1 week old account, and all you’ve done is shill AI non stop (with arguments that are wrong and uninformed).
I think that supposed 13 year old is smarter than you, and I also think the mod was probably in the right.
Oh, also. AI as in LLMs and agents is not the future. The fact that you’re a software engineer means nothing, you either are a bot or drank the kool aid. And after seeing you say lies such as “AI is already not a failure” or that is has done new things “more than any other invention in human history”, I don’t know if I should believe that you are a software engineer.
This is what I’m talking about…
Deep Learning had a major breakthrough around 2012 with ImageNet. What we know today is already 14 years old. It wasn’t as good as it is today, or as accessible 14 years ago, but it was around. And people really think the world is just going to decide to forget we invented it any day now
Oh my God shuuut uuuup, we don’t care!
Masters degree in AI here.
Every day I feel like medical specialist during highest anti-vax craze. No matter what I say, no matter what kinda research and articles I cite social media and advertising simply scream louder and more often.
Same. AI/ML background long pre-dating GPT; trying to navigate my career is sending me to an early grave from the number of charlatans and rich idiots flooding every part of the industry, talking complete nonsense, and getting an army of devoted fans who make shit memes dissing “luddites”.
I can’t participate in any AI-related forums any more because of the sheer number of twats pontificating about nature of sentience, who think “backpropagating” is something you’d find at a swingers’ party.
Yeah AI-related forums are absolutely apeshit. Online discourse is pretty much either “AGI is here, use AI for everything, no questions asked, no criticism accepted” or “AI is the coming of anti-christ, end to humanity and even looking at AI products should be punishable by death”.
No in-between online.
Maybe if the people in control of AI weren’t quite literally the most evil people currently on the planet, more people would understand. Also the fact that they’re all trying to cram it into every aspect of our lives, despite it being a demonstrable failure doesn’t help.
Idiocracy has become a documentary.
Idiocracy had leaders who were actually wanting to make things better and hired the smartest people they could.
False dichotomy. There are credentialed doctors and scientists on both sides. It’s just that the actual research keeps coming down on the antivaxxer’s side.
Example: Henry Ford Health Dr. Marcus Zervos.
What?
Says someone on alt right pedo platform Twitter. He’s not wrong, but come on. The irony.
With a blue check. Which means they paid the pedo techno fascist.
Therapist here w/ Masters. Sick of life coaches.
That is one of the most damaging scams in existence. Any jackhole can hang out a sign and call themselves a life coach. They are the homeopaths and chiropractors of psychology.
I feel like pointing at “influencers” and putting the blame on them isn’t really correct. They are probably more of a symptom.
Whose fault is it that some random blogger is being treated the same as people who studied something for decades?
E.g. the media owned by the rich or the governments
bought“lobbied” by the rich.A few crazy people will always exist, but currently the “inmates are running the asylum” and they actively promote this garbage. Just look at RFK.
Yeah, before we had influencers on the internet, we had celebrity gurus, magazines, etc… In Hungary, interest in home gardening surged after some magazines declared that if some fruits/vegetables rot in a weird way, they must be GMO, thus must cause cancer and have zero vitamins. Some went as far as if some powder of a common food item existed, such as “milk powder”, it meant that said thing was made out of crude oil, and all milk products were fake and vitamin-free.
The moment my stepmother heard meat powder and egg powder existed, I had to move in with them, so once they got their hands on chickens they can let free of “GMO food made out of crude oil”. That part never happened, but at least it helped to sabotage my college education.
The idea that its scientists vs bloggers was created by PR firms. It’s scientists and bloggers vs scientists and bloggers. Both sides have geniuses and idiots.
No, not in the cases of vaccines or climate change. The incredibly overwhelming majority of scientists are on the plainly correct side of both of those, they don’t have to be geniuses for that, just somewhat educated.
People so fragile they can’t live with the idea other people might be smarter than they are
Spot on, this is literally how society rotted away.
Nope, that was unfettered capitalism.
Feels to me like they are related, rugged individualism is much easier to sell to people who feel this way.
100%
People so fragile they can’t live with the idea other people might be smarter than they are
Need to be ridiculed, and their opinions ignored.
