Again this is just semantics at this point. We have different idea of what’s necessary to be “historically” a real person. You are allowed your opinions. What is life anyway? It’s all philosophical.
But…. If you are enjoying this conversation like I am we can continue.
Was king tut a really person? Did Pharos exist.
What about Charles I of England
Socrates would love to discuss if he counts as real.
the warrens
I’m to impatient to wait so to explain my point.
god kings. Appointed by their many gods with the Devine ability to keep Egypt together
the last god king of England . Last to held to claim they had a direction connection, the the blessed blood line and personally approved by god himself…demanded he should rule England and expand outwards.
there are NO works for Socrates. Not a single scrap of paper. Not a statue made during his life, no grave, no memorial. But countless scholars of the ancient world repeat his teaching and give him credit.
Socrates is one of the most well know ln philosophers of all time and there isn’t any proof he ever lived.
4 they have a house, they might be alive, you could meet them! and several books about how they can sense the spiritual world and fight demons and hold possessed dolls in their safe room.
Do those people exist?
Socrates is one of the most well know ln philosophers of all time and there isn’t any proof he ever lived.
when is the fact about the level of certainty we have about Socrates’s existence relevant, though? it depends.
if someone just mentions some specific idea that is often attributed to Socrates, then it’s probably totally irrelevant and you would be just "well, actually"ing someone. (which will backfire esp. if they actually know that full well and can/will stand for themselves)
if someone is defending a specific idea using an argument from authority of Socrates himself, then it’s probably pretty relevant. at best it’s an invitation to skip a bad argument path and take the focus back to the potential merit of the idea itself. (ofc this is regardless of whether you like that idea or not, learning what the other person perceive as valuable about the idea is usually more interesting than who they think came up with it)
if someone does the same but based on moral authority, then it’s the same principle, but probably much more important
if someone creates religion based on teachings of Socrates, then it’s pretty much important (although often seemingly ineffective, and in some cases, risky)
If someone starts asking questions about Socrates as a historical person (and heck, even questions specifcally about history of Socrates’ state of mind–see title of this whole post), then it’s obviously the most important thing they need to learn before continuing their research or pondering.
The last point bullet point describes what @Phoenixz did here, in the beginning of this sub-thread. (Just for Jesus Christ, not Socrates, of course.)
But Mario the plumber existed.
Again this is just semantics at this point. We have different idea of what’s necessary to be “historically” a real person. You are allowed your opinions. What is life anyway? It’s all philosophical.
But…. If you are enjoying this conversation like I am we can continue.
Was king tut a really person? Did Pharos exist.
What about Charles I of England
Socrates would love to discuss if he counts as real.
the warrens
I’m to impatient to wait so to explain my point.
god kings. Appointed by their many gods with the Devine ability to keep Egypt together
the last god king of England . Last to held to claim they had a direction connection, the the blessed blood line and personally approved by god himself…demanded he should rule England and expand outwards.
there are NO works for Socrates. Not a single scrap of paper. Not a statue made during his life, no grave, no memorial. But countless scholars of the ancient world repeat his teaching and give him credit.
Socrates is one of the most well know ln philosophers of all time and there isn’t any proof he ever lived.
4 they have a house, they might be alive, you could meet them! and several books about how they can sense the spiritual world and fight demons and hold possessed dolls in their safe room. Do those people exist?
when is the fact about the level of certainty we have about Socrates’s existence relevant, though? it depends.
if someone just mentions some specific idea that is often attributed to Socrates, then it’s probably totally irrelevant and you would be just "well, actually"ing someone. (which will backfire esp. if they actually know that full well and can/will stand for themselves)
if someone is defending a specific idea using an argument from authority of Socrates himself, then it’s probably pretty relevant. at best it’s an invitation to skip a bad argument path and take the focus back to the potential merit of the idea itself. (ofc this is regardless of whether you like that idea or not, learning what the other person perceive as valuable about the idea is usually more interesting than who they think came up with it)
if someone does the same but based on moral authority, then it’s the same principle, but probably much more important
if someone creates religion based on teachings of Socrates, then it’s pretty much important (although often seemingly ineffective, and in some cases, risky)
If someone starts asking questions about Socrates as a historical person (and heck, even questions specifcally about history of Socrates’ state of mind–see title of this whole post), then it’s obviously the most important thing they need to learn before continuing their research or pondering.
The last point bullet point describes what
@Phoenixzdid here, in the beginning of this sub-thread. (Just for Jesus Christ, not Socrates, of course.)You didn’t mention the king tho. Did he exist? He was gods spokesmen to the kingdom