https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysee
Too much of a Nazi bar problem or a decent YouTube alternative? Thinly veiled American capitalism or respectable if not entirely unproblematic attempt at disturbing the monopoly?
Yes I am very knowingly and purposefully asking how “we” feel about it.
Oh I do love a weird internet feel
Odysee is a big disappointment. It had the potential to be an alternative to YouTube, especially with some semi-big youtubers endorsing it. However, the lack of any basic moderation has led it to be full of neo-nazis. It wouldn’t be that much of a problem for me if content by neo-nazis wasn’t the only original content you can find in there (at least that is notable). So unless you are a neo-nazi yourself, you’re better off just watching YouTube. A lot of the YouTubers that brought their content over has stopped uploading there too, probably because of the same problem
Bummer. I keep wanting a YT alternative but Peertube isn’t quite there. Odysee at least looked polished but while I believe in civil discourse on any topic, complete lack of moderation isn’t great.
“We” as in the hivemind that is Lemmy userbase?
Whoever wants to include themselves in the “we” with me.
In my own subjective opinion, Odysee, Bitchute, and Rumble are all pretty sadly the same in terms of allowing some of the worst alt-right garbage on there, and promoting it.
Rumble, sure, it’s literary connected to Trump, so no surprise there. But Odysee and Bitchute tried to draft on Rumble.
It would be nice if Odysee’s decentralized structure could exist without being full of Nazis. Can you clear Nazis out of a Nazi bar? Yes, but how long does it take to stop being a Nazi bar after that?
Can you clear Nazis out of a Nazi bar? Yes
No. if it clears the Nazis it then has the ability to clear the Anti-Nazis, you can’t always have your cake and eat it
Yeah, but that’s why I should be the one who determines what is and isn’t Nazi content. Because clearly I am the only one who can do so objectively and fairly. You can totally trust me bro, I am blissfully free from all biases, because I read the Communist Manifesto!
From when I used to go on there for a couple yt people whose videos are also simultaneously on there, I noticed it wasn’t the nicest of platforms. On a particular Canadian I used to watch, I would notice some people in the comments calling him an Indian ( Asian, not native ) n-word and a few other things I wasn’t okay with.
I had also noticed a lot of kinda deep conspiracy type content in the default home video whatever menu thing ( like on yt ). Also some less than stellar, IMO, political stuff. There was a cool artist that I would occasionally we drawings from, though, but that was far and few in between the more alternative content I would see.
Needless to say, I kinda ditched the platform and am reminded I still need to delete my account if I can.
The alternative nature of the platform kinda kicked me away from it. Otherwise, it was an okay enough platform. Not a fan of the whole cryptocurrency like things you could get for watching videos on platform and then send it to creators you like, too. That felt wrong in many ways, but it is what it is.
It was full of antivax bullshit during the pandemic so I feel really angry about it. Fuck Odysee.
Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee?
That was my first thought when I read the title as well!
There’s a lot of Nazi stuff on there. Hard pass.
I haven’t acquired the ability to form my own opinion. Can someone do that for me?
Yes, you’re a Nazi.
How do you form an independent opinion of a SOCIAL media site 🤔 If you try it, you’re necessarily relying on the opinions of the users of the site (they must like it, else they wouldn’t use it). Or you can be actually intellectually honest and ask your existent social (media) group (that you probably have some alignment with, else you wouldn’t be in it).
There’s a difference between asking for consensus opinion and actually forming your own. And gossip has always been an important part of making decisions on who and what to associate with.
Thinking for yourself is great. Just make sure you actually know how to do it instead of just parroting the sentiment to sound cool.
I don’t see any Nazi content. What are you talking about?
Just a ton of nerdy weirdos going on rants about shit or streaming their video games.
If you want a platform that only feeds you the content you want to see, all you have to do is use Youtube.
I’m fine with civil discourse, even with some unsavory opinions. Not so fine with people spreading blatant misinformation and propaganda. There needs to be decent moderation for this, which as I understand, Odysee seems to fail at.
As @[email protected] is pointing out, commitment to (absolute) free speech tends to attract Nazis. And by Nazis I mean, actual, literal Nazis, not just people who don’t agree with me on soylent being a decent meal replacement.
Also, lets never forget that (absolute) free speech would also cover allowing “theoretical” discussion on how to manipulate, groom and kidnap children for certain purposes etc. How to “theoretically” build bombs. How to “theoretically” drug and kill people etc. You might not be persecuted for having these “theoretical” discussions, which is fine but I think it’s healthy for any online space to remove such topics.
Who decides what misinformation and propaganda is? For example, you think that Soylent is a decent meal replacement and that talking about it is a harmless debate to have, but I’m of the opinion that it is actually very harmful to your health in the long-term and really shouldn’t be advocated for in any way. (I’m serious, btw, this isn’t rhetorical)
Who decides on the internet which of us is correct?
There’s a difference between saying “I think X, and Here’s Why: Proof” and “YOU SHOULD NEVER CONSUME X IT WILL KILL YOU”
Yeah, and? You think those things shouldn’t’ be available?
If someone does police work on those things, should that information not be available to the public as it inform the public?
You are basically claiming some forms of knowledge are too dangerous for people to know. Also, as soon as you start dictating what is ‘misinformation’ you are creating the problem where knowledge and truth are defined by a central authority, which comes with it’s own systematic problems. The people in power of these censorship could easily decide that anti-Nazi rhetoric is misinformation as much as they could decide that Nazi-rehtoric is.
There is no free lunch. Information is free and it’s dangerous, or it’s suppressed, and that’s dangerous as well.
I am a former teacher and academic. I taught philosophy, and plenty of people I have met think philosophy is evil and hateful and terrible and shouldn’t exist. I think it’s great and wonderful. Which of us should have our views censored and suppressed? Socrates was viewed as spreading misinformation, and sentenced to death for it. Do you think his works are misinformation?
That’s a lot of logical fallacy from someone who claims to have been teaching philosophy.
Moderating blatant misinformation or bomb-making instructions does not inevitably lead to censoring valid political dissent. There is also a significant functional difference between Abstract Ideas (Socrates’ questioning of virtue) and Instructional Violations (blueprints for violence).
Equating moderating a privately run online space to making someone drink hemlock by the way of a state execution is a hell of a reach.
You are basically claiming some forms of knowledge are too dangerous for people to know.
Nope. Never said that. I said “You might not be persecuted for having these “theoretical” discussions, which is fine…”.
any platform committed to free speech and no censorship will attract Nazis, fwiw - so it wouldn’t be surprising a decentralized blockchain project that is committed to free speech might have Nazis on its platform
Platforms that have no free-speech and censorship… also have Nazis.
They are everywhere.
Good luck creating a Nazi-free platform.
the point is that the free-speech platforms generally try to make it harder to remove content, so that the typical moderation that happens on more mainstream platforms isn’t possible
it’s for this reason Nazis in particular flock to those spaces and form their communities, because there’s no one to stop them
So don’t use them?
I don’t understand what your problem is. You don’t want to see Nazi content, nobody is forcing you to watch it. You just seem to think it shouldn’t exist at all?
Nazis wrote books too, does that mean you can’t ever read a book?
whoa, weird hostility - I don’t care about this at all, and I’m not making a point; ironically I’m someone who has spent time in communities like ZeroNet where this is an issue. I’m just clarifying why the Nazi bar problem is real and prevalent in so many of the decentralized, free-speech-oriented online communities (to help the person I was responding to understand the context)
Again, what is your point? Nazis exist, yes. And you what… think any platform that doesn’t try to systematically erase them is bad or something? Or you only feel comfortable using a platform that has never once ever had any Nazi content on it?
What is your end goal here? So far all I can tell is you are like: ‘this thing exists, and there are maybe some nazis on it.’.
Where you are going after that I am totally confused.
I have no end-goal, I’ve already explained why I made my comment:
I’m just clarifying why the Nazi bar problem is real and prevalent in so many of the decentralized, free-speech-oriented online communities (to help the person I was responding to understand the context)
Sometimes people are just helpful and don’t have a rhetorical point.
If you keep at me with this aggression I’ll just block you and move on.
I use GrayJay, so if there’s ever a content creator that uploads to both YouTube and Odysee (or something else) then I default to following them on anything other than YouTube. In most cases that happens to be Odysee.
I don’t normally go to YouTube or Odysee just to browse available videos. But I have noticed that on both platforms you can tailor the content to show whatever you want. There are a lot of tech channels on Odysee.
As far as far right content, at one point I did attempt to compare the 2 platforms and I found that YouTube has almost all of the same channels that you see on Odysee. YouTube just does a better job with their algorithm at drowning those channels out.
Its not the nazi thing that makes it a bad platform. Its the fact that the vast majority of the creators on it are fringe or extremist and searching to find actual content you enjoy is pointless.
When the time arrives that I’m no longer able to watch my sub feed on YouTube, if I had ti watch videos on odysee, I’d simply choose to stop viewing video content.
I’ve used it sometimes for videos that get taken down from YouTube. It’s a little interesting in that it serves your actual file that you upload, so it gives you more control over your video quality, but you have to make sure to encode it with reasonable bitrate that won’t cause buffering all through playback.
I don’t really browse the site much, mainly just use it for embeds on Web pages or to share.
My personal problem with all of the alternatives to YouTube, and I know, first world problem, I’m being picky as hell, but I don’t feel like enough people make content just for casual browsing and fun and to share things.
It’s almost as if the Venn diagram between the people capable of setting up and establishing one of these servers and the people capable of generating mindless, entertaining content is practically an infinity symbol.
It’s kinda bland, but there are some neat creators there like this couple biking the world and documenting it on a pinephone running sxmo.
I’d like all these creators to be on PeerTube, but I get it hosting is daunting, and discovey in a centralized system is easier, so platforms line Odyssey. The crypto and free speech stuff attract a certain segment too, right or wrong. Their new effort to be a youtube front-end will put them in competition with invidious and similar too.
Yeah whenever I see “crypto”, I get a slight internal sigh/groan.
