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To help train AI models, Meta and other tech companies have downloaded and shared pirated books via BitTorrent from Anna’s Archive and other shadow libraries. In an ongoing lawsuit, Meta now argues that uploading pirated books to strangers via BitTorrent qualifies as fair use. The company also stresses that the data helped establish U.S. global leadership in AI.
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Last summer, Meta scored a key victory in this case, as the court concluded that using pirated books to train its Llama LLM qualified as fair use, based on the arguments presented in this case.
This is so fucked. It’s literally legal for an AI to read pirated books to learn, but humans are not allowed to do this. AIs have more rights than we do already.
I’m so tired of lawyer snakes.
I want copyright to go extinct. It has no place in a proper civilization.
Uploading torrents qualifies as fair use? Excited to see where this goes. Lol
They don’t mean it’s fair for you. It’s fair for corporations which need the same rights and privileges as people but obviously can’t be held to account like people because shareholders might make less money.
Worth remembering that any group could make a company. They are work, but not particularly class locked.
so we just need an international “data processing” co-op
An Uber driver is also a corporation.
Technically even with an llc you could still be considered an individual. Don’t put it past them to utilize this for a good fucking over small business.
Yes then they will take out the small company, toss it out as meat to everyone online who cheer as finally some victory over ai was had, and the major players continue fucking us all.
Fair use to train LLMs with. These judges are really some shitty fucking people.
Nowhere, the Zuck has his hand up Trump’s ass.
OFC, it’s not pirating if they do it. 🙄
The company also stresses that the data helped establish U.S. global leadership in AI.
Which is good for what again?
And is leadership in golfing better?
the underlying justification is so sickening.
“Breaking the law is OK if it’s profitable”
there is no such thing as “rule of law”
Always was. Only the scale is new.
it was never so balanced open. “Should twitter be banned for breaking CSAM laws?” WHY IS IT A PUBLIC DEBATE, IT SHOULD BE A “DUH!”.
Uh…because they are gonna cash out, and bro down? The US needs to cash out the most, ‘cuz they wanna bro down like the world has never seen before. I’m citing unnamed officials who are working closely with the coordination of resources for the planned event. It’s gunna be sick.
Will there be boofing with Squee?
And is leadership in golfing better?
No, Mark hates golf as far as I know. He’s a big fan of BJJ though.
They are saying that seeding is inherently part of torrenting, not that it’s fair use. I mean, at least they weren’t a leech.
My stance is fuck the copyright companies and fuck Meta for everything they do except in this case, because seedings a good thing and so is Anna’s archive.
Seeding is NOT needed for downloading.
To be fair, I did say inherently part of. It would have been rude of them not to seed.
Those bastards stole all our data! But hey, at least they seeded it. Would have been pretty darn rude, otherwise.
It’s not stealing to download media.
We can hate zuckerberg and still not care that they torrented books.
Don’t be a hypocrite just to feel like you got some win.
I hear you, but hear me out… They’re creating products from the consumed torrents, which absolutely contained copyrighted materials. I’m not trying to capitalize my torrents. Although, I did use cracked photoshop back in high school for a $200 job.
And to be completely honest with you, I don’t really care about copyright infringement so much, after it’s become a tool for organizations like Disney or whoever to abuse as they please. But the main body of work torrented here would be corpus’ of text, music, … a lot of stuff that independent producers created and rely on for income.
I found this particular video quite insightful on the impact within the music industry: https://youtu.be/QVXfcIb3OKo
To be fair to Meta, I’d have to say that I don’t really know what models they’re training via that data and how they’re using the resulting products. This is Meta, though, a pioneer and industry leader in the process of surveillance capitalism. I don’t particularly have high expectations for them.
I’m not pro-copyright. I actually steal content, as in pirate it and then watch it. I don’t consider it stealing to do it to train AI on it tbh.
“Our” data implies we collectively own it, yet we don’t, copyright companies for the most part do.
How does Elsevier feel about that???
Let’s wait for a case law then.
