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To be fair, killing farming in the USA wasn’t a difficult task. Most countries importing any American food products have had major restrictions on them for years due to safety and hygiene concerns. The EU, for instance, pretty much only imported some soy and grain, because anything else doesn’t meet our quality standards. There only had to be a single minor inconvenience here to end the imports from the USA.
And in all honesty - wonderful news for Europeans. I don’t think any of us will miss American products. Personally I’ll happily pay a tiny bit more for soy from Brazil or China.
What a bunch of welfare queens. They should have planted crops people want to buy.
When this shitshow is over It would be nice if we could reconstruct our farming practices to focus more small local and sustainable farming instead of corporate conglomerates that damage our environment and wipe out biodiversity.
Lol might as well ask for the wholesale dismantling of all capitalism…
(Yes please)
I think Europe has better farming practices
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I just know they have better quality food so it can’t be as bad as the subsidized corporate poison here
This is why farmers shouldn’t monocrop. Even if a farmer doesn’t care about the environment and soil health, monocropping makes a farmer vulnerable to the volatile nature of geopolitics and the global economy.
They don’t? Afaik soy is an off season crop to balance nitrogen(?) in the ground. But not being able to sell your harvest 50% of the time is still pretty bad.
This.
Americans are learning the hard way that elections have consequences, and I’m loving it. Sadly, most still won’t learn. I said it before and I’ll continue to say it that Trump, Elon and their lackies are anarchists. They are destroying the government because they hate government (because it gets in their way) and they’re not going to put any of it back. He’ll be gone and we’ll have some broken, ghetto, incompetent government that can’t put the pieces back together and it’s what we’ll be stuck with for generations to come while other countries progress.
Yea, elon (and presumably many other super rich) want(s) cyberpunk ultra capitalism
no rules, just money…Trump is just a corrupt puppet making it possible somehow
Americans are learning the hard way that elections have consequences, and I’m loving it.
You think? I tend to doubt it. Seeing as these are the same lessons since Reagan and they’ve only gotten more popular. They don’t know why they hate government. That’s the real lesson they won’t learn.
It’s the lesson the rest of the world will need to learn super, super quickly, too. It’s about media. And therein is the clue as to why no one will learn it without a big effort.
Canada, Russia, Belarus and China are the major players in potash mining and production. The US doesn’t mine or produce any in a substantial number. The US has huge import tariffs on China, and can’t currently buy from either Russia or Belarus.
Canada needs to put a 50-70% export tariff on potash. That would crush US farming.
If Trump wants to play, let’s burn them to the ground. Here is your 51st state you cunt.
This is idiotic. You are literally suggesting Canada follows Trump example and try to use tariffs to hurt another country.
Canadian potash producers have no reason to be punished with tariffs.
Tariffs damage your own country. Not the enemy. This is literally what you’re complaining about.
Tariffs damage your own country. Not the enemy.
Read what I said. I said EXPORT tariffs. These are taxed at the border, by Canada, to the buyer exporting - IE; the farmers and supply chain in the US. These aren’t like Trump’s import tariffs but they have the same effect to Americans.
The only effect this would have on Canada is MAYBE some reduced sales, but US farmers don’t have a choice with this product. They literally can’t buy it from anywhere else in the numbers they need.
And yes, the design would be to cause even further damage to US farming because of Trump. It’s a huge power play Canada has. They want to reduce our added tax on potash? They need to drop or reduce tariffs on their end.
Buyers import. Sellers export. Your example does not make logical sense.
US buyers are technically importing potash to the USA, but the tariff is considered an export tariff because it’s leaving Canada. The tariff is on the buyer in the US.
as he said “EXPORT tariffs. These are taxed at the border, by Canada, to the buyer exporting”, which would be those farmers
Wait, why not?
You can have sensible tariffs that do the intended job of encouraging a domestic market, but you need to have both supply and demand available domestically.
For example, Canada has an import tariff on milk and other dairy because we produce and consume our own dairy products. If some giant US milk conglomerate could start imprint on the cheap it would legitimately harm the Canadian economy.
Cool story bro. Read the conversation next time. The topic was potash tariffs.
The topic was potash tariffs until they gave an example using a different product. That’s how examples work.
Its not universally true that tariffs harm your own country.
If the US really is dependent on a specific thing from a specific country then that country can absolutely harm the US by applying a tariff to it.
Hey there woah … if you say something bad about djt, he’ll dump on you from an F35 so EVERYTHING is PERFECT no matter what you say.
Actually, shit is a great fertilizer. If he had dumped it on the farm fields that need it, it would have been a better video.
Couldn’t even ask AI to recreate that video with correct mask placement lol. Trump is a huge fucking loser.
I’m going to end up emigrating from this fucking country primarily so I can stop bailing out dumbfucks.
This is absurd.
We’re going to bail out “bootstrap” assholes after they were warned they were going to kill their own livelihoods. Fuck that clown shit.
The US government has been doing this forever. For example, meat and dairy farmers are heavily subsidized. They couldn’t survive if they weren’t subsidized.
For example, meat and dairy farmers are heavily subsidized.
They’re subsidized to regulate productivity. You don’t want large fluctuations in the supply of staple goods, so you offer a price floor that’s cost of production + vig to guarantee a certain volume of retail surplus.
If you want to get extra fancy, you turn the excess into a good that you can preserve for long periods (excess milk turned into Government Cheese) that you can then store in the event of a supply contraction or dole out abroad for goodwill as material aid.
The only real caveat is that you need the agricultural property owned by actual working people, rather than some enormous private conglomerate or trust. The goal is to guarantee a steady supply of his that still offers gainful employment, not to create a massive shareholder give away for folks who will still fuck with the supply chain
But where are you gonna go? Most countries don’t want more refugees
Australia here.
I’ve been saying all along that we’d happily exchange some fuckwits for some lefty seppos.
Chuck another shrimp on the barbie mate strewth.
Haha yeah I’m Australian too. And agree, lefty seppos would be a welcome change from a lot of the fuckwits we have around here…
But also, I don’t want to add more fuckwits so how do we filter out the gun loving Maga psychos?
“Temporary” my ass. They are going to beg for those evil socialistic handouts for the coming years. Simply because it is unlikely to get better.
Well yeah, farm subsidies aren’t new.
And now JD Vance’s Acretrader can come buy up all the land for cheap and sell it to foreign interests!
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I’m hoping this means low soy-food prices. And other beans. Beans are the best.
cries in IBS
Dude I have some form of severe ibs. Going whole-foods plant-based was the best thing I ever did for my gut. Like I am literally on the verge of complete remission, held back only by occasionally eating things that throw a wrench in it like using too much salt, and occasionally eating processed foods containing industrial emulsifiers (it’s hard to give up sriracha ☹️).
And yes, beans and particularly soy beans are a large part of that diet, and have been hugely beneficial.
I lowkey think it might be an actual allergy, because it makes stuff come out both ends simultaneously, but insurance doesn’t want to cover allergy testing if I don’t have a history of anaphylaxis, so fuck me I guess. I’m also wondering if IBS is even the correct diagnosis, and maybe my gut problems are related to the bone spurs compressing my spinal cord in my neck, but again, insurance.
Right now my diet is primarily rice, zucchini, and canned tuna, no spices, no fat, nothing that makes it even remotely palatable. Adding fiber makes it worse. I used to be such a foodie, and this is hell.
Sure, beans are rough. Is there something worse than McDonald’s chicken though?
I haven’t had one in forever because they’re fried in soy oil and it aggravates my IBS. I had to quit working at Wendy’s because the amount of fry oil I ingested just from working the fryers made my guts stop working right.
It’s at the top of the list of things that will fuck my IBS.
Well… you know, if you have a farm, there’s options other than soy beans.
You know how much specialized farming equipment costs? That’s like you owning a plumbing business and the government then screwing over your business somehow and someone going, well, you can always just start a electrician business. Like, sure you have some basic tools that might crossover, but it’s an entirely different field that you know nothing about. There’s significant risk as you know very little about that new crop, you may not have connections for distribution, you might not be scaled correctly to handle the nutrient or water needs. It requires extensive planning and if you fuck up one thing in that crop (i.e. you now have a weird blight or mildew or destructive animal you never planned for), you could be properly fucked.
In that case it might have been smart to listen to the person they were going to vote for and to believe what he was promising to do.
But voting for Mr “I’m gonna kill farming in the USA” and then complaining that he killed farming in the USA is kinda weak.
You can’t seriously believe they knew anything about what he was going to do. Despite it being published and mocked and criticized and the topic of conversation for months.
Yeah, who could have known that he seriously meant what he was saying for years.
Specialization is a specific kind of business risk that these farms accepted years ago.
You can lower your production cost, but at the risk of having all of your eggs in one basket. Crop diversification requires more equipment, more expertise, and potentially lower yields, but it reduces exposure to problems facing a single crop.
These farmers took that risk knowing that last time this happed Trump bailed them out. They had every reason to think it would happen again.
The risk of hyperspecialization. Of course it’s devastating, if your entire farm is tailored to that one crop.
If only people could have seen this coming, especially the farmers who dealt with the same shit last time they elected Trump.
Sucks to suck.
If only they knew it was their own votes that bent them over the barrel.
Common clay and all that. Morons.
I think ‘morons’, while technically accurate is missing the nuance that conservative media deserts are where these voters live. They’re not on Lemmy, they’re not even on reddit. They’re on facebook and they watch Fox News. Their local paper is written by and for others who watch Fox News. That’s “the world” afatk.
The Left has zero plan to combat this, and even less money and interest in doing so.
Trump killed America, with massive help from American citizens and criminals.
