and fuck the UK goverment
It is fucking mental that an industry plagued by data harvesting is being asked to harvest more data.
Anyway, I’m now in Belgium according to my VPN.
VPN, friend
Unfortunately they require “proof of liveness”, you have to open your mouth or tilt your head or whatever. There are ways around it but I too have nuked my Reddit account and returned to Lemmy today.
Gross
I worked for an early AI project for [large tech giant]. While there, Alexis Ohanian came into the office and talked to my boss about using reddit’s content (your posts and probably private correspondence, too, we got it from every other social network) as corpora for the AI/bot, it wasn’t quite “training data” yet, it was early still in the game, but most likely it has become such.
So yeah, add that to reasons to hate reddit. I have never understood the appeal of what is essentially a for-profit USENET/BBS system, except that you can decorate yourself with flare or whatever it’s called. Why’d people start using it? Why do we give away our collectively-owned technology to these dipshits?
People don’t know how to use Usenet.
That doesn’t mean the technology didn’t/doesn’t exist. Create a UI for it. Teams is just a copy of Slack, which is just a pretty face slapped onto IRC (not literally, but the point stands).
I mean you were asking why people use Reddit, I answered. Accessibility. It’s easy to go to Reddit.com, some website you hear about in passing. Anytime large numbers of people flock to some platform is because they made it easy and attractive to use.
Like, couldn’t I just ask, why didn’t you create this Usenet based reddit killer yourself?
Anytime large numbers of people flock to some platform is because they made it easy and attractive to use.
Is this really the case? There are many reasons why people flock to things, but those things being the “best” or “easiest” are not necessarily chief among them. People left friendster because it couldn’t handle the traffic and it was annoying. People left myspace for various reasons, some political (it was acquired by Rupert Murdoch, who owns Sky/FOX), and many simply because college kids were using this newer thing called Facebook.
Why were they using it? It wasn’t because it was the easiest, or best, it was because their parents weren’t using it and they could be themselves without being snooped (a similar force has driven Twitter and Tiktok success). Youth culture tends to attract more users, another reason that doesn’t involve making something the easiest or best; add this good fortune and Zuck’s shameless profiteering by selling user data in order to cover the growing pains of their servers, and Facebook became a thing.
Like, couldn’t I just ask, why didn’t you create this Usenet based reddit killer yourself?
The short answer is that I’m not a developer. Another short answer is that even if I were a developer, convincing habitual users to do other things is a different planet of annoying. I hope that not developing reddit-killing software does not prohibit me from having criticisms of reddit and other corporate social plats?
I still kinda feel like every one of those examples was success based on accessibility and ease of use. Connectivity issues? Inaccessible. Facebook was cleaner and more user friendly. I never had a MySpace because it just seemed more daunting to me for whatever reason. Facebook seemed cleaner and standardized in ways, so to me, it felt more accessible.
Steam and Newell comes to mind, about how piracy is an accessibility and distribution problem.
And no, I didn’t mean to invalidate your stance because you didn’t develop something, more that I too am not a developer so I couldn’t speak to your point about how easy it would be to have Reddit be Usenet based and still have the same level of proliferation. My apologies for being unclear.
How about instead of reddit being the example, we use craigslist? A mostly innocuous non-profit with wide usage, founded by a person who could have easily “gone reddit.” It isn’t so hard to imagine the same ethos and technology being applied to fundamental “social protocols” like reddit, facebook and others. My objection is that there seems to be an assumption (in American culture at least) that the way things are are the only way they could have turned out or the end result of making the best thing.
A widely cited example: Microsoft did not make the best operating system. There’s many reasons why they too over the world.
A lot depends on what one considers the best, too. Your points about the examples I gave are valid, we just had very different experiences of those platforms.
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That is, I believe, a British law that they’re following for users that appear to be in the UK. Not like they’re going to just disregard the law.
kagis
Yeah, the Online Safety Act 2023.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023
The Online Safety Act 2023[1][2][3] (c. 50) is an act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom to regulate online content. Designed to protect children and adults online, it passed on 26 October 2023 and gives the relevant Secretary of State the power, subject to parliamentary approval, to designate and suppress or record a wide range of online content that is illegal or deemed “harmful” to children.[4][5]
The act creates a new duty of care for online platforms, requiring them to take action against illegal content, or legal content that could be “harmful” to children where children are likely to access it. Platforms failing this duty would be liable to fines of up to £18 million or 10% of their annual turnover, whichever is higher. It also empowers Ofcom to block access to particular websites.
So that’s what they’ll be aiming to do.
Some websites and apps stated they would introduce age verification for users in response to a 25 July 2025 deadline set by Ofcom.[47] These include pornographic websites,[48] but also the social networks Bluesky and Reddit.[49][50]
Probably should be mostly irritated with Parliament.
I expect that using a VPN that terminates in another country will avoid it, though I bet that then you can’t do things like buy Reddit Gold, if that’s still a thing.
Upvote for the verbification of Kagi :)
I’d add that if you pick Ireland as the VPN exit country, it will have notable benefits:
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Sites that pick language based on IP will probably do English.
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It probably won’t add much latency.
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Ireland isn’t too bonkers and hopefully won’t have any large collection of online laws of their own that become an irritant.
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Because Ireland has a considerably smaller population than the UK, if people in the UK do this at scale for pornography, it will make the Irish statistically look like absolutely indefatigable horndogs, which I think will be pretty funny on visualizations.
Indefatigable horndogs best band name calling dibs now
Please make the music ska. A band with that name, playing literal horns, creating a fast, upbeat tempo? It would be beautiful.
the Irish statistically look like absolutely indefatigable horndogs
What did you think that “wild rover” they keep singing about was? 😉
Pornhub stats: Irish +28572%
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If you don’t mind my hijacking, I’ve seen the term “kagis” used a number of times on Lemmy, possibly only by you but I think also others. Based on the usage, I assumed it was a Latin word to indicate some sort of transition or side-bar, but it seems to just translate to “you are”, which doesn’t make sense in context. Can I ask what it means?
Kagi is a new-ish search engine that is popular among Lemmy users. Those users are trying to get it to catch on, and have started using kagi as a verb, the same way people say “let me google that really quick.”
It honestly feels a lot like when Microsoft was trying to get Bing and their phone OS to take off, and started slipping product placement into popular TV shows. There was a brief time period in American TV, where characters had the disgusting line of “Bing it!” Usually while showing the Bing home page on a Microsoft Phone. It was just blatant ham-fisted cringey product placement.
Yeah I’ve noticed this user basically inserts a “kagis” into like 2/3 of their comments, it always slightly irks me because it makes me feel like I’m getting advertised at. I’ve never felt the need to proclaim which search engine(s) I’ve used to research any particular comment on Lemmy, and I find it odd that the one person who does so regularly is doing it for a paid service.
Apart from that, their comments are usually pretty good, so I’m not accusing them of shilling or anything, but I find it super peculiar.
It makes me sad when I see the name because Kagi used to be a payments processor for shareware and essentially a predecessor to modern app stores…but before enshittification.
Does “googled” make you feel advertised at?
Not particularly, and while I admit this can seem hypocritical, the verb “to google” has just become a generic trademark.
When someone says band-aid, or kleenex, or jello, I think of bandages, tissues, or gelatin desserts, not of a specific brand of these products. Same goes with “googled”, it just means “searched the web” now rather than specifically using Google.
What about ye olde “googles on ddg”?
There’s a search engine named Kagi. It’s basically the equivalent of “googles” but for a different search engine.
Thanks. The usage now makes sense, albeit superfluous.
In this one instance I’ll give Reddit a pass. This is 100% a fuck the UK government moment
Lol yeah I’m not doing that. VPN all the way.
Today I’m french.
Tomorrow, who knows?
The possibilities are endless.
Too bad VPN server addresses are on-sight to reddit’s IP blocking strategy for years now. For whatever good internet choice you make, reddit reciprocates with an equally bad one
What’s funny about that is the VPN I use I saw advertised on Reddit. I wonder if these companies know that they ban users for using their products? Well I guess they don’t really don’t care.
Other companies: Thank you for buying from our sponsors! Here’s a code for 15% off!
Reddit: You bought from our sponsors? Lol, you’re banned.
Remember when you didn’t even need an email address to sign up for reddit?
If I need to look at that site, my LibRedirect extension sends me to a privacy focused mirror
Mullvad has couple of USA exits that don’t get blocked by Reddit. Texas and D.C., I think.
so does nord but to me the point of using a VPN is to get my traffic exit point out of the US and the other eyes countries
I usually use US because I like the localization of websites more that way.
can’t argue with that. setting my server to other places makes Google completely unusable because it will localize to whatever your ip address is no matter what you specify it to do in your settings. it’s annoying enough that it got me to stop using Google so I don’t blame anyone for just opting to let the NSA do their thing.
Blocking VPNs from posting or vviewing content too?
if you’re not logged in and using a VPN server that’s not in the US. If you want to post, it’s not an issue but if you want to browse logged out they block you.
I wonder if they pay per verification. If so, I wonder how hard it would be to set up a script to just keep submitting new requests a few hundred or thousands of times a day with random photos…
Random AI photos. That would be funny in theory, but they’re just using AI to check the ages anyway.
Sure, it’s not about wasting their time; this says they’re using a 3rd party service to verify, so theoretically they’re paying for that service. It’s about wasting their money.
Good point. I just think that if reddit would see an uptick in POC and old people with these random AI photos, it would be a weird and hilarious thing to happen to them. Spez is in awe of a nazi (musk) and old people would send their advertising into a tailspin.
Was using a VPN to watch iPlayer last night and then hopped on reddit and was like “whereintheactualfuck is all the porn‽” Before realizing I had it set to the UK. Blew my mind for a minute
I went “whereisallmyporn?” When reddit banned it from r/all. I think that was the start of its downfall for me.
I deleted my Reddit account but still follow some writers on it and had the same issue. The worst part is it’s anything marked as NSFW – even posts that were tagged as a joke weren’t accessible.
I changed my VPN to another country and Reddit was still asking me to log in and show ID until I cleared my cookies and cache.
Anyone try a McLovin ID?
Fuck most governments
genuinely cannot think of a government that doesn’t suck ass
It’s not all around great but I think New Zealand has a pretty decent government
The alternative is primitive tribal life, I think we can make government work, it’s improved a fuckton in the last several centuries, but it takes a lot more involvement and a lot less apathy than people have been showing about the whole thing lately.
“the alternative is primitive tribal life” is classic Capitalist propaganda.
You’re absolutely right though, we have progressed incredibly far. It’s almost as if we have all the knowledge and tools to build a truly inclusive society that provides a dignified standard of living for all people, yet there are stubborn and powerful groups interested in maintaining economic heirarchies and exploiting biases for political gain…
“the alternative is primitive tribal life” is classic Capitalist propaganda.
We can have a functional society without rampant capitalism controlling everything if we all really wanted it enough. The idea that it’s “capitalism or stone-age tribalism” is a false dichotomy that reactionaries who hate authority push. Mommy can’t hurt you anymore. It will be okay.
But to speak to the condescension: only a lazy, entitled, pathetically obtuse Westerner would have the gall to say everything is okay while your people’s institutions kill the Earth. Hopefully enough of you will die without children and we can rebuild the world without the toxicity of Western Christians.
You sound legitimately insane and dangerous and weird, I hope you have a healthy, rewarding life because I’m not psychotic, I don’t wish death on anyone, and I’m not insane, I just don’t want you as a neighbor. I won’t see your unhinged reply.
I don’t think you realize that I am agreeing with you.
I don’t think you know how to make the twisted voices in your head form a coherent statement on the internet and you’re just using this platform to scream into the void. Go get ChatGTP or something, it makes a much better interactive diary.
i don’t think we can make a government that works, what we can do is create a broader system of governance that functions.
it’s pretty fucking wild that we just let a tiny fraction of the population decide things on a national scale for years at a time, with little way of interacting with these people and with it just being accepted that most people don’t know what they’re voting for, if they vote at all…
From what i’ve learnt over the years the system that seems most likely to work well is something much much much much more based around local communities and constant actual human interaction, like instead of the most important elections being the national ones they should be the quarterly local elections where you decide who from you actual community represents you, based primarily on actually trusting them as a person you personally know.
You are absolutely right that we are ignoring community to a disastrous degree, our lack of communal spirit is allowing the worst people to gain the most power because we don’t care about who supports those worst people and only focus on spectacle.
But we still need broader systems, if we just have small communities, we end up with medieval feudalism the moment one community needs something their neighbor has.
We can’t get rid of the human need to “get ahead” it’s hardwired in, even in the most equitable system, there will always be someone who says “I want more.” And they will exploit and game the system until they get it. If there aren’t guardrails and laws and systems to enforce those laws, those kinds of people will immediately resort to force and we have, yet again, armed raiders who then become powerful enough after killing and raping enough of their neighboring communities that suddenly everyone sees them as the central power.
Our problem isn’t that we don’t know how to government, our problem is we’re broadly still too dumb to handle the abstraction required to manage such large systems. We haven’t had that “reckoning” yet that will slap our whole species down a peg and say “You need to value intelligence” and I genuinely don’t know what will do it at this point. We had plagues and wars and genocides and it made people cling to ignorance harder.
I might be peaking on my cynicism here but I am not sure we can rise above our limitations as a species. It might take several thousand more years of people building civilizations and having them reduced to ashes again and again before natural selection creates a species that can work together for a common good. But I kind of don’t think we’ll even be humans anymore at that point.
Rising above our limitations as a species is the field of religion. The current mainstream western religious meta is super toxic, but the entire point of dedicating ones life to meta-narratives is to transcend the limitations of our human instincts.
Just like, treat your meta-narrative with a healthy dose of skepticism or you fall right back into human nature. From my experience i feel confident in saying all meta narratives are fictions
Community. This is the overpowered meta that makes our species work and why we have highways and sewage systems and AI and MRI machines and a global logistics network… we did things as a community and it made the impossible happen, far more magic and use than any kind of faith or belief system, but we have a toxic relationship broadly with community. It conflicts with our individuality and we get stuck in emotional states that prioritize the self.
It isn’t wrong, it’s just an obstacle we need to be as aware of same as we’re aware that we crave calories but we need to limit our intake. We need carbohydrates to survive but we also need to balance it.
we gotta take back our parks from the night y’all
In this case I blame the UK government
I’m not sure what you all are doing
I blame all the people with “purity” kinks who took it so far they actually created movements and entire societies based around denying the most natural and harmless feelings we have as a species.
Lol what is this from
Team four stars’ Hellsing abridged. I highly recommend.
Hellsing Abridged from TFS, classic. If you’re gonna watch it you should do it on twitch since they used a copyrighted song for an epic sync that happens in one of the later episodes that got muted on youtube. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/294882536?collection=Y4Lf2g4TSRXQGQ
Oh man I love TFS, I didn’t know they had done anything since DBZ abridged.
They haven’t really unless you count the post-dbza content with the shorts and the streaming. Hellsing ultimate abridged was made along side DBZA timeline wise about the time Twilight was still popular.
If any service requires me to send a photo of myself to use it, I ain’t using it.
EDIT: lol wut, Facebook and YouTube want photo ID now?? I must be old enough to have missed out. My comment stands though, if I wasn’t already a member on either of those I guess I wouldn’t become one!
It’s a UK law, you either comply or get banned. Obviously everybody now has a VPN subscription.
Italy made VPNs practically illegal. The UK might soon follow. And surfing the web with a VPN is a painful torrent of capchas. And email addresses you can get without revealing your phone number to identify yourself are becoming sparse too.
If you’d want to actually address the issue (insofar unsupervised teenagers watching porn is an issue) you’d need something like a U2F security key that can be used as anonymous age verification and be bought anonymously in a physical shop for cash, just by showing your ID to a clerk (without your details being stored). Keys being stolen or misused could then also be flagged in a public database.
My VPN for about 7-8 years is run by Italian hacktivists (airvpn, it’s a nonprofit, they’re good people), I haven’t heard about this ban. Perhaps it only applies to Italian citizens using VPNs, not to Italians running VPNs. Wait, that doesn’t make sense… I’ll check out their newsfeed.
Yeah, afaik airvpn basically can’t offer VPN to Italian citizens any more because they’d be forced to keep logs. But they can still get customers from outside Italy. And presumably Italians can still use VPN outside Italy. I think, let me know if I’m wrong.
That’s terribly disheartening. I’m sorry, Italy.
I think it’s better to reject these sites rather than work around it. Especially for major platforms. Make it hurt financially.
Many have done that for decades, but the tend remains that the internet is getting less and less free.
Facebook does that,
Youtube does that
