It was easier to scrape before than it is now, the difficulty shouldn’t impact the legality in any case.
I think the main dissonance comes from people thinking if they broaden copyright laws, somehow that will mean either less AI or artists getting paid.
These companies are data brokers, they own the data when it comes to this, not the creators. It’s why Reddit made millions but not one cent went to any users.
It was perfectly legal to scrape a picture, cut it into pieces and glue it in a different order before AI. I don’t see how taking that picture and making a tool to make pixel level collages is different. Doesn’t really matter who it’s being “sold” to (I use local for photos and video, never bought a thing).
The current court cases are putting up a walled Garden, not protecting the little people. You fight for copyright juggernauts and big AI. Nuance is a thing but so is pragmatism, anyone with half a brain can see open source is the only thing in the crosshair and this whole mess is leading to anti-consumer laws.
the difficulty shouldn’t impact the legality in any case
I mean, the anti bot measures got stronger because of them as well. In any case, it doesn’t matter like I said.
It must be fun ignoring all my points and fixating on the first half phrase. We can’t have this conversation because you want to live in a fantasy land where defending big AI, and their transparent manipulation as to build themselves a monopoly, is a good thing.
All hail our copyright overlords and the mega corps that partner with them.
The fantasy land is the one where you think scraping got harder and that twitch is just “laying down copyright groundwork”.
Have you even been paying attention to what these corps have been doing? Groundwork my ass they’re stealing people’s work for their own benefits.
I do not give a single solitary fuck about anymore about rules, polices, laws, etc that are explicitly designed to fuck over the average person and benefits corporate interests, which is basically the entirety of the US judicial, copyright, trademark, and monetary system.
If you think twitch is just laying groundwork, again I have a second bridge to sell you.
It’s part of my work (not to train AI though). Sure scraping is easier now for people that don’t know how to code. That doesn’t make up for the fact that even a Lemmy instance now has bot protection. The ones that used to have simple bot protection back then now have complex bullshit that changes all the time. It’s a lot more headache and maintenance, even with the LLM doing half the work.
The laws that are coming are designed to fuck over the average person by kneecapping open source. You stance is encouraging that.
If you think idioms bring anything to the conversation resembling an argument or a point, then I have a bridge to sell you.
If your platform is predicated on user generated content as twitch is, forcing them to opt out is screwing them over already. How can you not see this? The company is literally leveraging their position as an employer to “legally” steal creators work.
It’s legal for anyone to use it to train AI (twitch or scrapers), letting us benefit from free sota open source solutions
Or
It’s illegal for either without explicit consent from the creator and the platform, making Twitch the defacto gatekeeper, bringing up costs massively and killing open source
Only one of these outcomes fucks over consumers by creating a subscription only environment. Opt out opt in stuff is still only for the benefit of the big companies. We need an environment that stays open, anything else is monopoly territory.
That’s silly. These are not the only two options, we literally already have a mechanism for this with how copyright and the public domain works.
The fact that corporations lobbied for decades to destroy those rules is one thing.
A creator who makes a work of art, video, etc should absolutely maintain the rights to THEIR work for a set amount of time and that includes the right to not have their work scraped, trained on, and then replicated against their will.
There should be a 5 year cool down on the legality of scraping user generated content, full stop.
There is no world where stealing everyone’s creative output with impunity ends well. This shit needs to stop and the public already HATES AI and this is not helping at all.
It was easier to scrape before than it is now, the difficulty shouldn’t impact the legality in any case.
I think the main dissonance comes from people thinking if they broaden copyright laws, somehow that will mean either less AI or artists getting paid.
These companies are data brokers, they own the data when it comes to this, not the creators. It’s why Reddit made millions but not one cent went to any users.
It was perfectly legal to scrape a picture, cut it into pieces and glue it in a different order before AI. I don’t see how taking that picture and making a tool to make pixel level collages is different. Doesn’t really matter who it’s being “sold” to (I use local for photos and video, never bought a thing).
The current court cases are putting up a walled Garden, not protecting the little people. You fight for copyright juggernauts and big AI. Nuance is a thing but so is pragmatism, anyone with half a brain can see open source is the only thing in the crosshair and this whole mess is leading to anti-consumer laws.
If you really think LLMs have not made scraping the internet easier, then I have a bridge to sell you.
We literally cannot have this conversation if you don’t exist in reality.
I mean, the anti bot measures got stronger because of them as well. In any case, it doesn’t matter like I said.
It must be fun ignoring all my points and fixating on the first half phrase. We can’t have this conversation because you want to live in a fantasy land where defending big AI, and their transparent manipulation as to build themselves a monopoly, is a good thing.
All hail our copyright overlords and the mega corps that partner with them.
The fantasy land is the one where you think scraping got harder and that twitch is just “laying down copyright groundwork”.
Have you even been paying attention to what these corps have been doing? Groundwork my ass they’re stealing people’s work for their own benefits.
I do not give a single solitary fuck about anymore about rules, polices, laws, etc that are explicitly designed to fuck over the average person and benefits corporate interests, which is basically the entirety of the US judicial, copyright, trademark, and monetary system.
If you think twitch is just laying groundwork, again I have a second bridge to sell you.
It’s part of my work (not to train AI though). Sure scraping is easier now for people that don’t know how to code. That doesn’t make up for the fact that even a Lemmy instance now has bot protection. The ones that used to have simple bot protection back then now have complex bullshit that changes all the time. It’s a lot more headache and maintenance, even with the LLM doing half the work.
The laws that are coming are designed to fuck over the average person by kneecapping open source. You stance is encouraging that.
If you think idioms bring anything to the conversation resembling an argument or a point, then I have a bridge to sell you.
Negative.
If your platform is predicated on user generated content as twitch is, forcing them to opt out is screwing them over already. How can you not see this? The company is literally leveraging their position as an employer to “legally” steal creators work.
What exactly are you even defending here?
It’s legal for anyone to use it to train AI (twitch or scrapers), letting us benefit from free sota open source solutions
Or
It’s illegal for either without explicit consent from the creator and the platform, making Twitch the defacto gatekeeper, bringing up costs massively and killing open source
Only one of these outcomes fucks over consumers by creating a subscription only environment. Opt out opt in stuff is still only for the benefit of the big companies. We need an environment that stays open, anything else is monopoly territory.
That’s silly. These are not the only two options, we literally already have a mechanism for this with how copyright and the public domain works.
The fact that corporations lobbied for decades to destroy those rules is one thing.
A creator who makes a work of art, video, etc should absolutely maintain the rights to THEIR work for a set amount of time and that includes the right to not have their work scraped, trained on, and then replicated against their will.
There should be a 5 year cool down on the legality of scraping user generated content, full stop.
There is no world where stealing everyone’s creative output with impunity ends well. This shit needs to stop and the public already HATES AI and this is not helping at all.
If you think the laws will be built for small content creators and not in favor of corporate juggernauts, then I have a bridge to sell you