I’m very happy for you, but you also just used a bad faith argument the super rich have taught everyone to say to derail any conversations. I was asking you to give me one period in time that could be used as an example where everything was perfect that would be acceptable to take an example from by your logic? Just give me one.

That is typical. You regurgitating what you have been taught to anytime someone brings up the New Deal, there was still Injustice against minorities! So therefore everything from then is defunct.

Of course by that logic every example from every time would be defunct. There is injustice now, there was in your parents lifetimes, your grandparents.

Explain to me how because everything was not perfect in every way it is not an example that we know a minimum wage job could pay for a dignified life.

And that includes those minorities that still were discriminated against, making enough money to live. It is telling of the quality of your opinions if you ask me.

Neither desantis nor vance will get it ultimately. I do not think, especially not desantis.

All that’s going to do is switch out him for his successor in the party. All of these things are things the party has been working for, such as declaring martial law and locking people up without habeas corpus, disappearing them, including citizens. Without addressing a lack of an opposition that can win in the face of election rigging 2028 won’t change anything except perhaps a leader that is not quite so stupid about doing the exact same things.

Well keep working at it, it’s a lot harder to read when you get older and we’re all very proud of you that you are still trying to learn!

What?

Working people lived prosperous dignified lives and did make improvements to government regulating business, as incomplete as it may have been.

Reform is not mutually exclusive to our constitution, and indeed our current plutocracy and rising fascism is. The constitution is dishonored systematically by our system.

In fact with our existing laws we could break up all of these mega corps, and prosecute the worst like health insurance execs for one thing and another. Drug co execs need to be put in line.

We would need to reinstate and update some laws, and get a national healthcare program with new laws.

But we need a restoration to the laws we had, and addition to them, and most of all, enforcement of existing laws. Judiciary being bought and owned by plutocracy notwithstanding but a strong real populist could fix even that.

We just need leadership, someone that knows how to build and run a political machine. A thing antithetical to our corporate opposition party playing good cop to ruling party’s bad cop like it is 1990 still even as the ruling party is not playing bad cop so much as hitler. Achieving more of a mussolini but that is another story.

Science is already well perverted by trade groups hiring organizations to commission studies to start backwards from it is safe to put out flawed conclusions lobbyists get policy makers to accept as valid and allow big money their practices.

Worse though it will become the system has been fundamentally broken since before most of us were born. Pfas, atrazine, roundup, a million other poisons are dumped and used systematically with the science of these cynical researchers to wave around.

It is all getting worse already. Watersheds are near all sullied to some degree at this point, many of which are on centuries long water cycles, there is no unpoisoning many, just as water is becoming scarcer and overused more by monied interests.

I know the system works because it used to work.

You have no cause to accuse me of not seeing things like they are first of all.

Second of all you just refuted my own point while agreeing with me. You could have just added to my point, but you refused it and then expounded on the same subject.

The inflation rate is a real tangible thing people can understand, that shows how full of shit the system has been for our entire lives.

The minimum wage applied to everybody outside of agricultural work. So the minorities that did not share in an exalted social status, still had enough money to live a dignified life.

I specifically addressed that so I would not have somebody discounting the lessons from the post-war era because not everything was perfect. It’s not perfect now either by the way, so you can discount everything from today or any period in time with that logic.

We are being robbed and you are addressing some abstract concept, and not the means by which we have been robbed. Inflation is a real measured thing we could reset our wages and raises on. I think you are wrong headed on all of your points here.

Capital being valued over labor is not mutually exclusive with addressing us being robbed by dishonest numbers.

What we have now is capitalism, but it is other things as well. Some say late stage capitalism. It is a plutocracy. It is becoming even more of a kakistocracy, rule of the worst. It was borderline fascist and now becoming moreso.

We had capitalism in the 1950s through the 1970s, and we had a pretty prosperous society, for whatever faults the system had, anybody with a job could live a decent life, which is the overriding concern of everybody, not living in destitute poverty.

They have changed the way inflation is measured a number of times to understate it, and now we are compound fucked by 50 years.

Social Security checks would have been worth $1,200 more on average a month just in 2008 under the unchanged standard. We are getting robbed everyday by inflation and we believe the ivy league suits on TV that tell us our wages have never had more buying power.

We were saying this elsewhere, and someone posted a link claiming the real cause was like a week before Harrambe, a rat I think it was crawled into the Hadrian collider I think while on, in switzerland I think they are accelerating particles to study Physics bullshit, higgs boson something.

There was a theoretical possibility they could have started a chain reaction that would destroy the world they were saying when they were talking about building it fyi.

Anyway though this rat got in there when it was on and they are saying that through the timeline off, a week before harambe.

1972 was the genesis, there was a business Round Table where the rich and Powerful companies agreed on a long game to overthrow democracy and undo the gains from the New Deal. They have since refined the game, and destroyed any organized opposition. Also obviously had worthless conservatives on their side take over the Democratic Party.

The flu is one thing, all of the toxins we are exposed to from companies trying to save a buck is everywhere as well. This is like some 1984 shit we are heading right now. More dangerous chemicals than ever being allowed into our water, our air, and our food. The flu and the covids are just icing on the cake. And I think I have noticed people getting Dumber from the 90s. Not starting in 2020 starting before that.

What pisses me off is a lot of times these influence agents are not hard to spot but if they are with a powerful group they get a pass, and if you argue with them they will manipulate the rules or have your name sent to social media and they will ban you or violate you I should say for unrelated reasons. Especially about a certain country connected to our foreign policy but not just that and it’s going to get worse.

Not only do they allow fake accounts to violate their own rules and manipulate us, but they dishonestly violate people that have not broken rules at the behest of those powerful interests. The government and billionaires have their hooks well into social media, it is doomed, and there is no way to achieve anything big through it with it being fucked as so.

I am not all that Savvy and I almost gave up trying to join Lemmy here. The first instance I tried to join did not accept my application for whatever reason and two days time, this one did within just a few hours but I almost did not bother trying a second one. Is this pie fed and instance of the Federated Lemmy here? I’m not entirely certain how all this works but the idea I wholeheartedly support and think is the future for online communication of people that are not tools.

They’re planning on making vpns illegal. They haven’t said that yet but they are.

Same. I hardly use youtube and will pirate anything I want to see.

I am planning on open sourcing phones and computers too.

Silicon valley parasites can do their age verification without me, that is the last straw, I hardly use now anyway.

Thanks.