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Nice argument you’re having with yourself there, buddy. Seems like you have quite a lot to pour out.

I don’t have any affinity for China, but I also don’t like the gratuitous hate they get all over the internet, nor the reduction of Chinese people’s experience to work drones (what you’re doing).

I had hoped that Lemmy wasn’t gonna be like that, but alas.

I’m sorry you live with so much gratuitous hatred in your heart and I pray you can recover some day.

Actually it’s the other way around.

The internet is all about “China Bad” so calling it China Battery is a way to depreciate this obviously positive discovery.

I am trying to get away from the philosophy actually 😅 in the end what matters is how these tools are being used, not so much their inherent characteristics.

Can you envision a world where AI chatbots will be used to lead you down certain political beliefs (e.g. capitalism good, socialism bad) product recommendations will be made based on how much brands are willing to pay for ad placements, and your psychological state will be measured and molded to the interests of the AI owner? I can. It’s also already happening.

It doesn’t really matter whether it’s the Machine or the creator.

The point is, AIs can be programmed to lie, much like Grok does. And if they can be programmed to lie, then they are not reliable for anything at all. We are going through a decent period where AI can be used for a few things reliably, but even these will surely be enshittified.

Great! Now you just have to ensure you stay at your job for at least 48 years so that this automation really starts to pay off!

ut could just be outplayed by a big corporation with enough money to copy this idea and sell it everywhere before he can even start production.

Which is also why Anti-Trust laws exist in pretty much every country and, when enforced, actually stop companies from becoming gargantuan Hydras.

In the US they haven’t been implemented for too long, of course.

Gotcha 😄👍 and that’s probably the main thing these days. We might not be able to protect our data from these corps but we can at least move our money and attention away from them.

Man I don’t know if this is a parody but you’re inconveniencing yourself to an extreme that doesn’t make any sense especially when the EU is in negotiations to happily hand out all our biometric data to the US anyway.

I am all for privacy but let’s be honest it is a total sham nowadays. Go de-google to your hearts content, i did the same and I couldn’t be happier (you just get treated better when you’re not the product, funnily enough), just understand you’re not really protecting yourself from anything when governments can, and do, just negotiate your data behind your back anyway.

I really don’t understand the EU.

While the US has Trump threatening Denmark’s sovereignty, threatening to pull out of NATO, making up lies about the EU being created to screw the US, have multiple US billionaires and his whole administration lobbying EU countries to degrade EU unity, the EU goes out in full bend-over mode to whatever the US wants.

Want every EU citizens Medical data? Go ahead. Want to regulate our industries? Why not. Want us to implement Chat Control? Fuck it, we’re all part of the same Epstein class anyway!

That’s also a fair point, in hindsight. I associate shitty to being insecure, slow, and borderline unusable. I have a middle of the road view on the privacy aspect because Chrome exists, it doesn’t care about your privacy but I think you’ll be hard pressed to call it shitty.

That said, I wouldn’t hold my breath and I wouldn’t be surprised if in a few months time Chrome comes with Gemini integrated by default. All your private data, straight to Google’s servers.

In fear of playing devils advocate a little bit:

Edge is not a shitty browser. Ad-infested, controlling, overwhelming, disrespectful, annoying yes. But not shitty.

It’s chromium-based so it’s quite fast and secure (unlike Internet Explorer that everyone loved back in the day) and it integrates well with the overall OS.

I wouldn’t use Edge, but it’s a decent default if you’re okay accepting Windows antics or too young to remember for how long Microsoft has been desperately trying to play catch up and failing.

It’s an opinion, don’t kill me. 😶‍🌫️

Edit: unrelated to the topic, but I’d like to thank everyone for not downvoting me for wrong think like what would happen on that other platform. Why is this community so nice? 😭

I’ll never forget how in university there was this girl I was flirting with (it was mutual) who got upset and broke off contact when I let the streak with her on Snapchat drop lol. This was after I installed Snapchat just to talk to her, too.

Blessing in disguise, in hindsight.

Proton and Tita aren’t entirely free either, 500MB is just 1-2 years of emails and after that you’ll start paying if you want to keep your mailbox.

Right.

“We hate capitalist oligarchs which is why we are moving to another oligarch-owned platform.”

It’s all so tiresome.

Thank you for the thorough technical explanation, it is clear there are challenges for devs and I understand why the pushback exists now.

As an end user these are things I haven’t felt, are essentially invisible to me so I never felt the need to run away from systemd.

Thanks again.

I’m aware, I just don’t care enough about this particular beef.

Systems works well for me, and in order to get my configuration up to what it is today on NixOS (what I need it to be) I’d have to install multiple proprietary/non-free software/drivers on Guix anyway.

In a roundabout way I’d end up in the same spot.

It’s not really mandatory, but I take your point.

I guess it’s the choice between many minor programs running in tandem, potentially only held together by a few maintainers, or an init system that unifies all those programs under one flag, with multiple maintainers including corporations, but the chance for it to get enshittified.

I personally have no choice of init system since I use NixOS. But I also don’t necessarily think the death of the personal computer will come from an init system, it will sooner come from hardware becoming unavailable/too expensive for individuals to buy (basically what we are seeing happen now).

Okay, other than “I believe it’s against the Unix Philosophy” and “hypothetically it will become bloated”, is there anything else worth knowing?

I should have clarified that the list above only makes sense if you just want your machine to work because atomic distros aren’t great to tinker with (except NixOS), but let’s face it, moist people are not tinkerers do what they need is exactly what atomic distros offer.