The obvious problem is that the author/their instance has a vested interest in up/down votes. […] The author is interested in getting their message out. Think about someone trying to sell stuff, for example. They would want to manipulate the visibility/apparent popularity of a post. Such a party would also be most interested in the identities of supporters/detractors.

That is the same on every social media platform, including Mastodon

I don’t think likes influence visibility outside the home instance?

Likes don’t affect that at all, boosts or shares or retweets or whatever they are called affect that and are sent to the author and your followers

If you wanted to create psychological profiles, you could create bait messages and observe the reactions. That would be much more effort, but if that is a concern, then that probably isn’t good enough.

At the moment this is very easily achievable in the threadiverse. You just sub to a community and you get everything you need from that community. With my proposal this would be much harder to achieve, as you’d only get the information from people interacting with you, or, if we’d shift it to the community actor, you’d have to control the instance of the community. Sure still possible (it always will be) but a lot harder

1. Doesn’t change the fact that people are used to their votes not being seen by other users
2. Don’t know what that has to do with me saying that more people vote than post
3. of course it is easier with always the same one bit information as it is for something that can be one word or 50k words that are basically never the same. Plus the fact that people want the things they post to be seen, but not necessarily their votes

The main reasons for me:

1. People are not used to votes being public, because (afaik) it was just not this way on “traditional” social media (there only the operators might have had access)
2. Votes being public affects far more users than posts, because only a small subgroup of all users actually post anything
3. Votes being private is (imo) much more achievable, as they contain the same message each time either “I like” or “I dislike”, more information than that is not conveyable in up- and down-vote-buttons

Only regarding to votes, but yes. So only the author receives votes and then distributes the update activities containing the new vote counts to the group and the author’s followers. I totally see the potential for abuse, I don’t if that potential is to big or if it is negligible… Mastodon seems to think it is fine…

Also sensible. What do you think of sending it only to the group actor instead of the author?

My concern is that this goes against the implicit assumption that the group actor (the community/magazine/category) is the source of truth.

The group actor is the clearinghouse of data in 1b12 style federation, and it would be a departure to change votes to only be sent to the target.

That is true. It could of course be changed to send it to only the group instead of the author 🤔

Also this goes directly against @[email protected] 's vote batching proposal.

Can you link me to it. Seems that I missed that

My problem is not saying it to the person itself, my problem is that you can build a rekatively detailed personality profile based on the things someone likes. My proposal was that everything goes to the author and the author alone

If you have malicious software, then nothing. Nothing prevents malicious software to invent users who create like activities either… So in my opinion nothing changes about that

nice info

I use it daily and I love it :)

My boss wants to make me use it, but I mever found a good use case for it. And with how things are turning out it just is a no go for me. I may have to use it in my job someday (webdev) but for now I am good without it

Oh man, just take this ❤️

I just found out that I can change the type of input for the email address in the contact form to text and I could submit it, still…

Yeah, that’s what I expected. I just don’t so I didn’t consider it…

I honestly didn’t expect that there needed to be a setting for this… But I mainly/only use the “sub” feed, and if you don’t want microblogs there, just don’t follow people posting them 😅

No this “threads” is just referring to everything that is not a microblog.

I clicked on it because I knew a lot of things with Spotify are broken and I am interested in it. I have a lot of friends on there and I like having good arguments against it. Also I just like this channel and my mood did very much fit the “we’re fucked” part of the title 😅

I also use Symfonium, it is just awesome

Maybe, but definitely not more lax 😅

If it still says like a few thousand comments, it is because the bans of the people who spam commented stuff didn’t make it to your server yet. Browsing this thread on lemmy.world just shows how many of them got removed