• Soggy@lemmy.world
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    From a broader perspective “school” has been a thing since before Socrates and humanity pendulums between “a broad education is the foundation for a strong populace” and “we need a giant pool of disposable labor”.

    And the US public education philosophy is similarly inconsistent. At the earliest it was Puritans who wanted everyone to be able to read the Bible for themselves and so pushed for literacy. At times it has been guided specifically by the business economy but it’s inaccurate to say that schools were designed to produce factory workers.

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      Yeah, hell modern universal public education was partly a result of the working class fighting like hell for it

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        On the other hand, a lot of good ideas ended up getting co-opted to serve the State.

        I don’t think the IWW was planning on ahving kids learn the Pledge of Allegiance.

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          Nor did the inventor of the pledge expect it to be used for anti communism.

          But ultimately I don’t want us to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If the public education system goes away the proletariat will suffer for it. Fascists are attempting to move the Overton window towards that. The solution as I see it is re-examining, reimagining, and reforming public education to serve the masses. But a big part of that is reconvincing the proletariat that education is valuable in its own right rather than just as job training.

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        Modern universal public eduction has its roots in prussian model and the idea was very much to make effective and loyal workforce. Im not saying modern education has the same ulterior motivations, but things like standarized curricula and grading are coming from there.

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          IIRC the goal wasn’t to have a loyal workforce, but to have an army that isn’t dependent on a small number of elites.

          Basically “we won’t stop with the death of our officers, our soldiers can step up to the occasion”.

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            Which is a good philosophy outside of the military! That’s the same thing the Puritans wanted, for people to not be reliant on a few to do their thinking for them.