Hopefully this initiative sticks, sounds like my next phone (eventually) might just be Motorola/Graphene.
As long as they have basic shit like NFC or wireless charging. One of the main reasons I stopped buying them. 2nd was the tablet sized screens.
Because its grapheneos you will likely have NFC, but whether you have tap-for-payment options will be a crapshoot, especially in North America, unless having an official vendor changes things with grapheneos’s play store integrity issue (which is doubtful).
Best shot is that EU will make it possible, as they distance themselves from US tech right now.
Its an issue that, currently, banks have to resolve by either developing (see certain EU banks that have done so) or supporting an NFC card management app that doesn’t require the highest level of the google play security thing to function.
I doubt EU legislation can fix this, and I doubt Canadian banks will care enough to do anything to support anything beyond apple pay and google pay.
Tap to pay is whatever but I do use NFC for some home automatons.
What you use for home automation if you’re into open source and security?
I use the term home automation loosely. Mostly I use it for initiating Tasker scripts at home with a single tap.
Do you have tasker on grapheneOS?
I can’t imagine grapheneos shipping on a phone without NFC.
…I wish I had the money to play with homeassistant for random things.
I never realized you could have NFC and not tap-for-payment support. Is that not how tap-for-payment works?
The apps that enable tap-for-payment ask your bank for permission and some security details to activate using cards for NFC.
In North America, banks won’t give that permission/security info to any android app but google pay, and only if the play store verification thing says the OS is fully secure - and google pretends grapheneos doesn’t hit those security metrics.
So yes, NFC is how tap-for-payment works, but unless NA banks implement it themselves, or trust a 3rd party that isn’t google to implement it, grapheneos phones are blocked from using the tap-for-payment functionality.
That’s… Fucking stupid. But it’s to be expected from greedy, overly powerful tech corporations I suppose.
NFC is just the technology that tap for payment uses, but there are other use cases for it.
I’m aware of that, but I wasn’t aware of the much more stringent (non-technical) requirements for tap to pay
Fair enough. I misinterpreted your comment.
I quite like my Razr. I’m sure if they’re aiming to be a true alternative to the mainstream OSs, they’ll be including many of the mainstream features
I’m skeptical they will bother with the Razr, seems like a lot of work to intelligently use that external screen and Graphene probably doesn’t have the interest to do that. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
I think they supported the pixel fold which has the same sort of second flippy screen thing. I think the multiple screen stuff is just in the aosp base.
Motorola was kind of sluggish/selective about those, but they seem to pretty consistently have those features now. Always worth double checking.
I’m old school, I remember when NFC was used for stuff like domotics
One of the largest complaints of Pixels I’ve seen is that they’re too expensive. These will cost twice as much.
I don’t think I have ever heard that for the a series. That if fact, I have always heard that it is just about the best price-value on the market, the downside being that it is google and no SD card slot (which is common now). They use the flagship chip in it still, right?
What? When I was buying my last phone prev gen Pixel cost me 1/3 of what I would have to pay for a Fairphone. It’s the exact opposite, less popular phones with long support are way too expensive compared to Pixel.
I agree, and yet that is the complaint I hear over and over. I don’t understand it, but it is.
Historically, the problem with Motorola hasn’t been their os, it’s been their hardware, it’s just usually not very good when compared to the competition. And often the price is higher for what you’re getting.
I grant that Motorola may neglect to go top of the line (e.g. there’s no ‘flagship grade’ non-folding phone on offer right now), but price wise, at least in the US, it seems to be in line with other options and the cheaper options are generally motorola.
Is this US or elsewhere? What are the better value competition in the mid-lower range.
Big disagree here. Still offer a jack, SD card, etc. Worth way more to me than a high end processor that I don’t use any more than a mid range one.
Stop, I can only get so erect
Good, good. Next, tell me there will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and user-replaceable battery and we’ll be golden.
There will be a 3.5mm headphone jack, swappable SD card, and users replaceable battery.
Help, I have turned to gold and cannot move or turn back.
You bastard!
Is your username a Black Books reference?
Yes
Hehe, well since you have good taste I’ll forgive you if you falsely raised my hopes.
their phones do tend to have that already…
e: at least the lower end ones I’ve had
So interesting to me that it’s the lower end phones that have the features I want
It’s mostly to achieve higher IP ratings, and people with expensive phones also tend to pay for things like cloud storage upgrades and expensive bluetooth earbuds.
I ain’t buying shit if it ain’t got a rotary dial!
I demand to have an outdated standard for a storage medium with a high rate of failure that’s also slow and causes immense heat, while we’re at it I also demand the charger be micro USB and it to be shipped with a pre rooted install of LineageOS maintained exclusively by one guy in his spare time
Holy Hell!
This definitely will be on my shopping list. At the top. I hope they bring to all devices and not only higher end.
This news aligns quite well with the Levovo T series ThinkPad repairability.
Other major tech companies sail towards more and more closed environments.
It’s nice to get confirmation, though I really can’t believe it had to be said. Sign of the times, I guess.
If they release one with a headphone jack I’m 100% sold.
Whelp, looks like I’m going to Motorola
Please make this the industry expected.
Damn, Motorola may really make a comeback with this!
Does anyone know when such devices are expected to hit the market? Within 2 years would be nice
Fantastic. Excellent news! I would expect nothing less.
Well yeah. I doubt the GrapheneOS team would allow anything less.
I’m kinda excited for this phone. But I’m unemployed so I probably won’t get it. 😂
Will banking apps and NFC pay finally work?
Doesn’t that depend on google play services? If so, “probably not, but then again it works currently if you install play services on a separate user profile (or on your main, defeating the purpose of grapheneOS to begin with but more power to you).”
Tell google/banks to stop requiring the spyware, they won’t but at least it’s better then telling the secure OS to install just a little spyware just so you don’t need to carry a wallet.
graphene still sandboxes gplay, even if you use the two profiles for work and home
I think he was saying that installing it on your main user account would be the way that’s pointless.
and i’m saying it’s still sandboxed on the main account leaving a second profile still available for work
I guess I’m confused on how t being sandboxed would stop it from doing it’s tracking thing
it has MUCH less access to your phone on GrapheneOS than stock android and can even be limited to only contexts where its required.
plus Graphene still blocks a lot of the other attack vectors that corporations use to track you like Dynamic Code Loading and Memory Tagging. to say installing google play services to your main profile defeats the purpose of GrapheneOS is to ignore like 80% of what GrapheneOS does and how it installs google play services
It gives you more control over when and what Google can do on the device. If you run Google software with network access you have to assume they can track you, but having it sandboxed minimizes what it can do while running and gives you more control over what it does (e.g. you can deny it network access entirely whenever you want).
It’ll still try, it just wouldn’t have root access. It would just depend on what you allow it access to.
I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance. That’s more than just needing “to carry a wallet.” That’s the difference of more than $450 in mistakes as that’s what happened when i didn’t get a live-update to my account prior to the advent of smartphone banking apps. Fuck 5/3. -a dumpster-fire of a banking organization if i’ve ever seen one.
I would still need to be able to use my banking app to check my balance.
cant you use a web browser for that ltask ? All my banks let me log in via a web browser fir that at least.
Wow! okay, i leaned something new today.
edit I am surprised I never thought of that.
Anyone know a release date, I was looking at getting a Pixel for it soon.
Part of their next gen release, so probably 1 year after their most recent refresh cycle
Probably a long shot, but I wish they added a headphone jack and sd card to these phones. These features would also benefit privacy.
Actually, a few of the Motorola phones do have headphone jacks and sd card ports, like the moto G. Which is why I’m really, really hoping those are the models supported.
I’ve specifically heard that it’s going to be a flagship chipset at first, especially, so it definitely won’t be the Moto G line. I’ve heard it’s going to be closer to the Moto Signature, which is like 3.3 Monero.
If they don’t release this with a phone that has a headphone jack, they are dumber than a box of rocks. Motorola hardware is flat out not great, but the fact that their G line has a headphone jack and is one of main draws and the only reason I’ve bought them for my kids. If they do release a GrapheneOS compatible phone with a headphone jack, I’ll likely end up buying a few of them for the family and it will be my go to recommendation to others.
I personally might not use a headphone jack or SD card slot very much, but for the market that a GrapheneOS phone would be targeting they seem like OBVIOUS things to include.
The crowd getting excited about this partnership is pretty much the same crowd that complains about features like those going away.
You’d think but shiftphone, fair phone, others all abandoned it and thus lost my business at least.
I could see them doing fine losing those features if it meant the hardware was compact, light, and cheap. But doing it on giant $1000 phones is not going to do them any favors with the lemmy crowd like I said.
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I will never accept the death of the 3.5mm jack. I refuse to buy wireless ear buds as I know I will lose them. I need my tiny ear speakers to come with anti-misplacement cord technology.
I have upgraded to USB-C headphones…
But, years ago I got a handful of USB-C to 3.5mm adapters as manufacturers were starting to discontinue the 3.5mm jacks by default.
I was of course used to needing a USB adapter for headphones because I had a RAZR v3 for many years, which I also used as an mp3 player. I believe it only had a micro USB port.
I mean, I use Bluetooth headphones on my phone most of the time, but I do still require a headphone jack as a backup. I used a phone without one for a while, and decided I need one on future phones, as well as a micro SD card (I need more than a tb of storage for my music and audiobooks).
FWIW, I thought the same thing. But then I bought some cheap Chinese buds and never lost a single one. I’m on my third or fourth set and still haven’t come close to losing one.
Though I still won’t pay for the premium priced ones.
i was the same on my end, and my current phone even has a 3.5 jack (zenfone 9). i used to have aeveral wired headphones ive lost over the years.
in like 2019, i got airpod pros for functionally free, never lost them yet. then had pro gen 2 and havent lost them yet. (again functionally free in my case)
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Check out beats flex, they’re fantastic and have great battery life. Mine are almost six years old and work great still. They’re wireless but cabled together. The cables don’t tangle together like wired earbuds, either. They also charge on USB-C, so you can use your regular charger cable.
I’d love an SD card again. At home, I can just use SMB to access remote file systems on my phone. I can do it while mobile, but despite the gig connection, it’s a bit too slow for my taste. Works for files, but it won’t ever let me watch a downloaded movie on a plane or a podcast while driving across Kansas. I’d rather be able to dump 128GB on an SD card via my laptop (much faster I/O) then stick it in the phone.
I’ve gotten used to BT headphones, but I’d love to be able to plug in to a stereo again without a flakey Bluetooth dongle
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It took me longer than many but I accepted it to.
Never going back to cable slap when exercising. True wireless buds for ever.
SD card would certainly be nice still.
But realistically I’ll likely still buy this as long as it has half decent specs and is IP67+
