• Zloubida@lemmy.world
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      Symbols have more than one meaning… The word “fascism” comes from one of these symbols: the Fasces. However the fasces are still used by France:

      Or by the US:

      Are these countries fascists just because they use the Fasces? Of course not. They have other meanings. It’s the same with this Ukrainian symbol.

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        The difference is that at the time the fasces were adopted they didn’t mean fascism. But also, coincidentally, the US and France are fascist.

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          And the tryzub didn’t mean fascism when it was firstly adopted by the (menchevik communist) Ukrainian People’s Republic in 1917…

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            Okay but it did mean fascism after ww2. You know, after nazi collaborators participated in the holocaust in Ukraine, killing Ukrainian Jewish folks and others.

            I dont think the original Ukrainian republic in 1917 was fascist though, we agree there.

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              Vichy France of Pétain participated in the Holocaust too. France still use the fasces, the same anthem and the same flag.

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                  That’s not the point. The point is: Ukraine is a normal country, nor a fascist hellhole nor a perfect Paradise. Their national symbol is also used by its far right, today and during the WWII; just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe. And just like all other countries under the Nazi rule in Europe, they continued to use their national symbols after the WWII.

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          Oh good, more Russian orphans than Ukrainian orphans were created. That makes this all worthwhile.

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            Good, maybe that way they grow a spine and overthrow their government instead of rape and kidnapping children in Ukraine