Hard disagree. The US is cooked. Arguably it’s been cooked since the election, but there was a world in which the US public banded together and blocked the regime from taking any effective action. But now that Trump has consolidated power and set all kinds of precedents that fascism will be answered by nothing crickets and ass-licking, there’s no stopping him through legal means anymore.
So please allow me to regard these “oh shit it that bad?? :((” people with the highest level of disgust and contempt. I don’t owe fascist enablers anything. Just like I don’t owe anything but contempt to the Germans who woke up a morning of 1936 and realized “hey guys maybe we fucked it”.
The people who just now realized that Trump is a fascist aren’t “on the left”. They are NPCs. It doesn’t matter what anyone says about them or to them, the world will literally end before these schmucks lift a finger to fight it.
The idea that “concerned centrists” exist to be convinced with Discourse not to support fascists is literal thought poison. Anyone who was going to resist Trump has already chosen sides. Everyone else is just a passive observer or a literal enabler (instead of whatever you think that term means).
Make no mistake, the time for discourse is over. Whether the American antifascists continue the fight illegally through direct action or bend over is up to them. Historical precedent (Italy, Germany, Russia, Turkey, China…) doesn’t favor victory, but I would love to be proven wrong. However the idea that you’re doing anything by appealing to the most politically disconnected’s hearts and minds is laughable.
If we’re being real here, your average person is either scared or feels so overwhelmed that they are checked out until they are directly needed by a friend or family member. If someone is talking now, it’s because their back is against the wall.
I’m sure many people don’t want to sound like the ‘boy who cried wolf’, only to not be taken seriously when their claims appear overblown about the scale of an issue. The big problem is that it has been a death by a thousand cuts. If it’s not a big problem close to home, then there are less people willing to step in for that specific issue. Especially so when personal relationships are at risk by taking a preemptive stand.
Certainly some people have been put off from voicing their concerns when how they voice it has gotten them bashed on by the very people they are supporting as well.
Personally, I believe that when push comes to shove that people are looking out for each other. With how things have been going, more people are calling out the wrongs and support for injustice is being chipped away at while everyone is starting to feel affected.
right, and so your proposed solution is to drive the people who had their realisation away, so the strategy of divide and conquer can continue to bear fruit? makes sense…
I don’t owe anyone, anything. Least of all a “you tried” gold star for failing at even the bare minimum.
This random thread on one of the least conservative and most politically-engaged parts of the internet is not somewhere that I’m expecting to find or engage with one of these hypothetical schmucks. I’m merely venting my contempt for them.
There is no “divide and conquer” strategy by the way. That’s just something you made up. Divided into what and what? The politically active left hasn’t really changed course and everyone else just. doesn’t. give. a. single. flying. fuck. that their country is being run into the ground by a literal demented fascist.
I don’t know what the winning strategy is but it certainly doesn’t involve convincing the people who are so far disconnected from reality that they just realized that Trump is a fascist. WW3 will break out long before anyone convinces even a single one of these clueless morons to take meaningful action.
Hard disagree. The US is cooked. Arguably it’s been cooked since the election, but there was a world in which the US public banded together and blocked the regime from taking any effective action. But now that Trump has consolidated power and set all kinds of precedents that fascism will be answered by nothing crickets and ass-licking, there’s no stopping him through legal means anymore.
So please allow me to regard these “oh shit it that bad?? :((” people with the highest level of disgust and contempt. I don’t owe fascist enablers anything. Just like I don’t owe anything but contempt to the Germans who woke up a morning of 1936 and realized “hey guys maybe we fucked it”.
Right, you give up so you then play directly into their hands by enabling the left divide. You’ve become another fascist enabler.
The people who just now realized that Trump is a fascist aren’t “on the left”. They are NPCs. It doesn’t matter what anyone says about them or to them, the world will literally end before these schmucks lift a finger to fight it.
The idea that “concerned centrists” exist to be convinced with Discourse not to support fascists is literal thought poison. Anyone who was going to resist Trump has already chosen sides. Everyone else is just a passive observer or a literal enabler (instead of whatever you think that term means).
Make no mistake, the time for discourse is over. Whether the American antifascists continue the fight illegally through direct action or bend over is up to them. Historical precedent (Italy, Germany, Russia, Turkey, China…) doesn’t favor victory, but I would love to be proven wrong. However the idea that you’re doing anything by appealing to the most politically disconnected’s hearts and minds is laughable.
If we’re being real here, your average person is either scared or feels so overwhelmed that they are checked out until they are directly needed by a friend or family member. If someone is talking now, it’s because their back is against the wall.
I’m sure many people don’t want to sound like the ‘boy who cried wolf’, only to not be taken seriously when their claims appear overblown about the scale of an issue. The big problem is that it has been a death by a thousand cuts. If it’s not a big problem close to home, then there are less people willing to step in for that specific issue. Especially so when personal relationships are at risk by taking a preemptive stand.
Certainly some people have been put off from voicing their concerns when how they voice it has gotten them bashed on by the very people they are supporting as well.
Personally, I believe that when push comes to shove that people are looking out for each other. With how things have been going, more people are calling out the wrongs and support for injustice is being chipped away at while everyone is starting to feel affected.
right, and so your proposed solution is to drive the people who had their realisation away, so the strategy of divide and conquer can continue to bear fruit? makes sense…
I don’t owe anyone, anything. Least of all a “you tried” gold star for failing at even the bare minimum.
This random thread on one of the least conservative and most politically-engaged parts of the internet is not somewhere that I’m expecting to find or engage with one of these hypothetical schmucks. I’m merely venting my contempt for them.
There is no “divide and conquer” strategy by the way. That’s just something you made up. Divided into what and what? The politically active left hasn’t really changed course and everyone else just. doesn’t. give. a. single. flying. fuck. that their country is being run into the ground by a literal demented fascist.
I don’t know what the winning strategy is but it certainly doesn’t involve convincing the people who are so far disconnected from reality that they just realized that Trump is a fascist. WW3 will break out long before anyone convinces even a single one of these clueless morons to take meaningful action.