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How do you go into making a multi billion dollar franchise extending trilogy and have absolutely no plan for how your trilogy should play out?
The Last Jedi was super cool though. It was truly the last Jedi i ever saw, well the last Star Wars content basically.
It was half of a good movie, which is more than can be said of the other two sequels.
Altogether the three equals less than one whole good film. They get close with the first two but the third is inexcusable. I counted: there are less than 5 shots that last for more than 15 seconds before a hard cut, even if it’s still in the same scene (I counted but also barely cared; I was just trying stay awake)
Also bringing you hits like: “Somehow, Palpatine returned…” and “Yousa thinking yousa people ganna die?”
Don’t forget, “if you don’t play Fortnite, you’re going to miss important exposition”.
I’m going to need some help with this one…
Long story short, before rise of Skywalker there was a Fortnite event that featured emperor Palpatine sending a message to the universe that he was back. It never happened in the movies. Rise of Skywalker’s opening scrolling text talks about this message from Palpatine. It was all just a crummy afterthought.
Shit gets cut from movies all the time. No reason to be upset.
Nobody’s upset here buddy.
I’m not your buddy, friend.
What a disappointing series that was.
Still beat GoT marginally :)
The cycle goes: Star Wars is for kids and when they grow up they’re going to hate the Star Wars their kids are watching. I’m old enough to have seen the entire cycle with the prequels.
And btw, The best trilogy is Rogue One, Empire Strikes Back, and The Last Jedi.
The difference between the prequels and the sequels is that while a bit cheesy and having some cringe/dogshit dialogue in places the prequels have a solid storyline an arc.
The sequels are just shit with only the Last Jedi trying to do anything, then when they made episode 9 they tried to backpedal and made a completely unwatchable piece of shit that makes no sense
Fight choreography for the prequels saves it a lot.
Revenge of the Sith has the best and most gratuitous action in the entire mainline series.
I also argue the world building alone makes them worth it. While the dialogue and plot had some issues, all the new worlds/aliens/the actual sith/etc. heralded in a new age for star wars.
The world in the sequel trilogy is so small in comparison to either of the other trilogys.
I hated TLJ. I grew up on the OG and saw the awful prequels in theatres despite knowing they were bad.
Too much bad writing. Too many plot holes. Too many monumental changes to how the universe works.
I watched the OT as a kid… and then watched the Prequels as a few years older kid…
And I thought the prequels were inferior to the OT, and even to many OT/EU based video games that were released before or in the same timeframe as the prequels.
And then the Sequel trilogy was an utter trainwreck, along with pretty much most of the Disney+ shows.
Rogue One was decent?
Mando S1 and S2 were good (very obviously a serial spaghetti western type show, but executed well untill S3) Andor is great, everything else bad or so uninteresting I haven’t even bothered.
I hear that The Clone Wars animated series is good too.
Clone Wars is amazing. I feel like they’ve seen more screen time for me than the movies at this point. It’s an anthology series. I even enjoyed the last season even if it was mainly a setup for Bad Batch.
Rebels is good too, although very clearly for a young audience.
I really liked the movies JJ Abrams made and enjoyed Solo well enough.
To me the biggest problem is when they take themselves too seriously. Rogue One was trying to be Saving Private Ryan. Last Jedi was trying to be Citizen Kane. They seem like half-assed versions of better movies with the toys I played with as a kid in the mix so that prevents me from taking them seriously.
JJ Abrams made some fun movies that had some interesting things going on in the subtext. Which are the only ones besides the OT that did that.
I watched all 9 again recently with my kid. I am barely old enough to be in the “hate the prequels” gang. All 3 trilogies are good and bad. But after watching again 7, 8, 9 get way too much hate. They aren’t great either. The funny part is, most people hate them for the wrong reasons. Palpatine returning makes sense if you pay attention while watching 3.
There probably is a whole generation that will despise andor and rogue one.
Rogue One was just boring. That was my only issue with it.
Who ever hated the original films?
Star Wars is a long cycle of really really really cool concepts and really really really shit execution of putting those concepts on screen. People have disliked pretty much every iteration of SW for some reason or another, and it’s usually defensible. Boils down to suspension of disbelief and ‘to each their own’
I grew up kinda between the originals and prequels, and often found the originals were paced too slow and the whole ewok thing stood out as stupid as fuck even to my 8-ish year old brain; but there was more to like than dislike, so I was fan overall.
Then the prequels come out. Jar Jar used to be what killed it for me, but then the ‘darth’ Jar Jar fan theory came out, and if you watch his character through that lens it’s not quite as bad. I’m 100% sold on that being the original intent with Jar Jar, but then they backed off after so many people fucking hated him in Ep1, and just left him alone as a bumbling idiot and nothing more.
Then the sequels came out and the writing was absolute shit. SW followed that trend for a while, kinda felt like the franchise was dead in the water, existing only as a cash grab… until Rogue One came out, and then Andor, which are both fucking masterpieces.
George Lucas is a genius merchandiser and fun-maker, and things like “cohesion” and “plot” are left for everyone else to figure out.
He was good at overarching plots which is why the prequels are solid in that regard, they got planned in advance. He falters when it comes to smaller plot moments that drive the characters and the audience to follow the overarching plot, the stunted dialog etc.
It used to be movies were movies and not treated like political causes. So saying something like “I though the Leia and Han scenes in the early parts of ESB were a little awkward” (my actual opinion) didn’t mean you were choosing to take a side against people that like ESB. I actually love ESB, but yeah there were some scenes are a bit awkward, and that’s fine, because it’s an action adventure move, so who cares?
So there was a distinction between criticizing parts of a movie and hating a movie. But now in the social media age, everything is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever, and you group up with people with the same opinion as you.
Star Wars being a hugely popular thing attracts all kinds of algorithm brained people so there’s endless content about whatever thing being the best/worst thing ever about everything in Star Wars.
But in the end they’re just action adventure movies some are really good, some are terrible, and most of it is in between.
There’s quite a lot of reviews and comments from the time hating ESB (a muppet as a spiritual guide? Contrived twist!) and RotJ (too cheesy! Just an excuse to sell toys!).
I mean RotJ was an excuse to sell toys.
Yoda being a little green weirdo was meant to convey that anyone can be a Jedi. Just don’t tell TLJ fans… they think that’s something that wasn’t a thing in Star Wars before Rian Johnson came up with it from his own brilliant and creative mind.
You get all the adults now who like the prequels even though they’re terrible because it’s what they grew up with, so of course that means now we’re getting a generation for whom the Rey trilogy is their Star Wars.
Incorrect. All you get now are people bitching about every Star wars series regardless of the one they choose to bitch about.
Eyerolls in gatekeeper
You get all the adults now who like the prequels even though they’re terrible
The prequels had the core of a good story, alongside some very bad direction and post-production decisions.
The Fall of the Republic as this merchantile skirmish that grows out of control, the Jedi as a schloratic band of liberals who have had their orthodoxy exploited, and the Republic itself as an engine of immiseration that ultimately needed to fail in order to pave the way for something better are all themes it is easy to sympathize with in the modern moment.
Yeah, the CGI was clumsy, the dialogue was stiff, and the comedy asides were cringe. But the lore was strong. It gave birth to a second renaissance in the Extended Universe.
The Sequels simply did not have any of that storytelling and world building. What wasn’t blatantly ripped off from the OS was sloppily presented, resolved, retconned, and then ignored. The Sequels pillaged the EU for material that was wasted almost as quickly as it was revealed. And this, when Timothy Zahn had already written some of the best sequel material 30 years earlier.
The Sequels won’t be anyone’s Star Wars, because it was slop. Rogue One, The Mandelorian, The Clone Wars TV Show, the Star Wars anime spin-offs - these are what will endure.
The lore was terrible. Anakin Skywalker is the biggest Mary Sue of all time. Lucas thought it would be more emotional to show a child being taken away from his mother, so suddenly the Jedi go around the galaxy doing blood tests and taking children from their mothers. In the next one, he wanted a Romeo and Juliet plotline so suddenly the Jedi are celibate monks.
Because there was criticism after Episode I about Naboo being a monarchy, Lucas made it so Naboo elected 15 year old children to run their planet. That’s some great world building!
Padme went from have a successful career of running a planet (at 15 years old) to being a Senator, but decides to become a tradwife because I guess she was impressed by Anakin’s pro-fascist veiws and how he massacred a bunch of people?
The Jedi went from being knights the were guardians of peace and justice to a fucked up cult that abducts children to train them to fight in some holy war. Not too different from the First Order in the ST, because that kind of shit is what villains do.
The Prequels didn’t explain shit about what was going on, there was a Trade Federation that was blockading trade, then there was separatist group that for some reason the Republic wouldn’t just let separate. Better clone up some more slaves to send into the meatgrinder to destroy these separatists!
The Jedi and the Republic actually were evil when you think about implications of indoctrinating children to fight in holy wars and using clones that had no choice other than to be cannon fodder in whatever war they’re told to fight in. But those are things you’re just not supposed to think about because it’s a children’s movie… but with a school massacre.
The Prequels were accidentally pro-fascist movies. The Sequel Trilogy (at least the ones made by JJ Abrams) actually went into the emotional reasons why people are drawn to fascism (which is way more relevant to the audience than fictional politcal machinations) and has the main character reject it. The message that fascism is bad and should be opposed wasn’t received all that well by people that grew up thinking indoctrinating children was something the good guys do. It bothered people that there was a message that ancestry doesn’t determine who you are. It bothered people that there was a massive proliferation of super weapons in Star Wars paralleling the proliferation of nuclear weapons in our world.
The Sequel Trilogy brought up many things that are uncomfortable to think about and Prequel fans were upset by them. It was better when Star Wars was about cool clone troopers (slaves) being led into battle by the cool “sky guy” (who committed genocide) fighting the “bad guys” because they don’t like the awesome religious cult that indoctrinates children to fight in wars! That’s what Star Wars is supposed to be!
Awful series of movies, watched them once and that was enough for me
Agreed and same. Only way people got me to watch it again was commentary folks ripping on it for being so bad.
Tbf when you live in absolute 5th world poverty the clothes can vary minimally.
Or they show that short hair isn’t unusual for action-oriented characters, and simple beige clothes are super common in Star Wars.
