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      Kaczynski wrote that technology has had a destabilizing effect on society, has made life unfulfilling, and has caused widespread psychological suffering. He then called for a revolution to force the collapse of the worldwide technological system, and held a life close to nature, in particular primitivist lifestyles, as an ultimate ideal.

      Whelp, looking at where we are now - 30 years later - I can’t say he didn’t have a point…

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        The problem is capitalism, not technology. Technology and the concentration of capital are both advancing, but that’s just because of the passage of time. If technology had stagnated, but capital accumulation had advanced, life would probably be even worse. (Maybe, I’m ignoring global warming here)

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          He goes in much deeper than simply critizising capitalism, from his viewpoint technology is unnatural and intervenes with the natural development of humans. IIRC, He for example thinks technology allows people with diabetes / other illnesses to keep living and reproducing, thus not allowing evolution to get rid of said issues.

          His critique of technology is so much more than just “capitalism bad”, its more about his thoughts on human nature and how technology effects the effort and satisfaction from different activities

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            I can’t agree with what comes close to euthanizing people by not treating illnesses.
            I you try to see it from his supposed point of view, you could argue that even ill people can make worthwhile contributions to society and advance humankind.
            Developing tools (or even technology in the case of humans) is known from the animal kingdom to be a form of “survival of the fittest” hence in line with evolution.
            You don’t have to be perfect to be good enough. The movie Gattaca comes to mind…

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            Ted had a lot of good points, it’s a shame he decided to destroy his own credibility.

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          I say both can cause problems.
          Technology carries the risk of communities falling apart, because people do rely less on one another; technology makes peoples’ lives and working more independently possible. Have a look at how many people were needed to plant and harvest crops per acre a hundred years ago vs. now.
          I’m not saying this was a world I’d like to live in. I’m just saying that technology alone can have an impact on society, which should be considered and mitigated.

          If you add widely unregulated capitalism into the mix, all is on overdrive and I agree that the current predominant form of capitalism is the bigger of the two problems.
          The centralizing forces of turbo-capitalism would pose the bigger threat to society even without technology, because it puts too much power that can’t be voted away easily in the hands of too few.

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            Another bad side of technology is that it inevitably requires more energy to run the machines as it advances, even as the machines become more efficient - they just get bigger to do more.

            In the early days of computing, a valve-based computer would take up a space the size of a large classroom and had about the computational capacity of a scientific calculator. That was an incredibly powerful computer at the time. Now, we have that and 10000x more power on our smartphones that fit in our pocket, but the new incredibly powerful computers are the size of large warehouses and take orders of magnitude more energy to run.

            Do they do way more? yes. Are they way more efficient in terms of watts/calculation? Also yes. Regardless though, they still require significantly more resources to operate, and the earth does have a finite energy budget, both in previously stored energy from fossil fuels and a “recurring” budget from renewables.

            In the end, whether or not there is capitalism… the factory must grow. People loathe stagnation and will pursue this growth regardless, because the motive is “we can’t sit still”. I wonder if that’s an evolutionary leftover from nomadic hunter-gatherer times, where staying put means death.

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        I mean… he’s certainly wrong about many things such as leftism in general being incompatible with nature (cooperation and empathy is everywhere in nature, we just chose to ignore it for quite a while - not saying all left movements include those tho’…) or technology inherently bad. But when it comes to how the tech is used against people, how people are manipulated into fitting the system instead of the other way around and how it makes life worse… yeah, he surely got a point.

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          I can’t say I agree with all I read about him, but this paragraph I quoted got me thinking and I recognized it as a warning.
          I wouldn’t say that I’m in favour of a Luddite way of living or want to join the Amish.
          I would like having a SWOT analysis of technology though instead of blindly adopting it and dealing with fallout later if ever.
          The realist in me realizes that there’s money to be made and that’s why technology gets shoved down our throats by oligarchs whether we want it or not.

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    Kaczynski was also – allegedly one of the unwitting victims of the MK Ultra experiments done by the CIA.

    Maybe that was what started his ‘career change’.

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    fun fact: he’s in dragon ball z: legacy of goku 2 for the gba. he tells you that he moved into the woods because society is too reliant on capsule tech, and then praises you for blowing up a generator. “i like your style.”

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      Hitler was 43 when he finally rose to power. Before that, there were several setbacks, but he didn’t give up. Likewise, Mao Zedong was 55 when his dreams came true after decades of struggle. They both came close to death, but they didn’t give up.

      You’re not too old. Just keep on following your dreams. If those monsters could do it, so can you.