You say that like savagery is somehow worse the civilization, rarely in history does one find so called savages who are worse than their civilized counterparts. If I could go unga bunga and smash in my biological fathers brains I can garuntee that the world would improved, he is protected from the consequences of his actions by the failure of civilization.
Not only, most extreme authoritarian governments tend to do it. Soviets did that as well. Neither is it race based, which was huge point for nazis. So probably more soviet influcened than nazi influcened.
The only reason why death penalty for filth like child traffickers isn’t good is because governments and individuals abuse power and might convict falsely (+ human fault leading to mistakes in the conviction process) but ridding society of parasites like that is the most civilized thing that can be done to them.
Yeah, sure, because minorities being systematically tortured and murdered are the same as pedophile rapists, especially in times like these with Epstein and his supporters walking away scotfree from their crimes. Be for real. And as I said, the rate of deliberate or false convictions makes this too much of a risk for people as it is easily exploitable. If one of these monsters dies I’m gonna celebrate though.
Stories of Rassenschande, which denoted alleged scandals of Jewish men and German women having sex, were staples of Der Stürmer.[15] Streicher described Jews as sex offenders who were[12] “violators of the innocent, perpetrators of bizarre sex crimes, and ritual murderers”, who allegedly performed in religious ceremonies using blood of other humans, usually Christians. Streicher also frequently reported attempts of child molestation by Jews. Der Stürmer never lacked details about sexual intercourse, names, and crimes to keep readers aroused and entertained. These accusations, articles, and crimes printed in Der Stürmer were often inaccurate, and rarely investigated by staff members. In the newspaper’s opinion, if a German girl became pregnant by a Jew, the Jew would deny paternity, offer to pay for an abortion, fail to pay child support, or leave for the United States. Within Der Stürmer, it was not uncommon to read reports of German women aborting their children because they did not want to bring a “Jewish bastard into the world”.[12]
I agree that we use the death penalty too often, and often for the wrong reasons, but I would never want that option to be permanently off the table.
There are some people so heinous, that they need to be removed for the good of society. Leaving them alive only emboldens those who think like them. Child Rapist/Murders, Serial Killers, Torture Killers, Actual Treason, and a few others EARN their death penalties, and as a society, we need to eliminate them, and end any influence on our society and culture.
We should only use it a handful of times in a decade, and only in cases where there is no dispute at all. The inmate should have the benefit of a last comprehensive review of their case by a panel of judges, and any chances to use improved technology, DNA, etc. If the death sentence holds up, then it should be a national event, followed on the news, and everybody in the nation should know what we are doing, and why. We should all be a part of it, as a nation.
I remember when those two numbskulls in Connecticut home invaded that family, tied them up, raped the mother and daughters all night, then set the house on fire. The father escaped, called the authorities from the neighbor’s house, and the cops and fire Dept rolled up, just as these dipshits ran out of the burning house. They were caught LITERALLY red-handed, and then immediately confessed by blaming the other guy.
I had a lot of conversations online about that crime, and one thing that was common among Connecticut residents was that they regretted getting rid of the death penalty because even though they didn’t like it, they ALL thought these guys deserved it.
We shouldn’t surrender our ultimate option, just because it makes us uncomfortable. It SHOULD make us uncomfortable, but we have a responsibility as a society to not limit our own defenses. Those who attack our society will not respect our "humanity,"they will exploit it.
No matter how horrible the crime Is, time and again, the conclusion is death penalty is still a bad thing.
In the list of things going wrong about killing innocents, you have human errors, bias towards minorities (on purpose or not), framing individuals, abuse of power, and plain political weaponization.
On the policy side, you think you would restrain it to the most horrendous crimes. Look at the current climate in the US administration: criticizing Israel’s genocide in Gaza is “the same as” wishing all Jews dead, and they started comparing Trump to God.
Normalize the death penalty, and see a bench of crimes labelled horrible enough to warrant a death sentence. That may still come, but the fact that today, death penalty is not normalized prevents them from going there faster.
If you want to remove individuals from society, you still have lifelong prison. At least there, society gets a change to mitigate its mistakes.
What is crazy is that your comment got more likes than the one you replied to. Humans are really disgusting and humanity is a lost cause, beyond saving. Child traffickers should not only be killed but also tortured and raped before killing them - get the same treatment as the kids that were kidnapped.
Retribution achieves nothing except continuing the circle of violence.
The humane thing to do is recognizing the humanity even in supposed monsters. Let’s suppose that doesn’t matter and we would agree that certain crimes need to be punished with the most intense cruelty we can come up with:
What if someone is wrongfully convicted? that happens all the time. You can’t undo killing someone.
Torture and death penalty are barbaric and have no place in democracy.
While I believe that child murderers, especially those who rape and torture children, have absolutely EARNED their death penalties, your suggestion that we torture them the same way is ridiculous. Who do we get to perform this punishment? Another torture-murderer we haven’t executed yet? Or is this a Department of Corrections position with specialized training?
I don’t buy the argument that executing a heinous murderer lowers the government to their level, but torturing them first DEFINITELY does.
That’s an immature position to take. Think harder.
I’d prefer him to be held, alive, to watch while the monstrosity he’s wrought is dismantled piece by piece. Being made to experience having everything you’ve ever done become shame and humiliation, from a small concrete box with basic rations and a stainless steel pot to shit in. To have enough time to potentially come to the realisation of just how much of an absolute and utter stain on humanity his existence has been.
Hanging leaves no space for true repentance. Or the long term suffering of incarceration until death by natural causes, or preferably, both. Shrug
Nothing should be punishable by death. Death penalty is uncivilized and full of problems.
You say that like savagery is somehow worse the civilization, rarely in history does one find so called savages who are worse than their civilized counterparts. If I could go unga bunga and smash in my biological fathers brains I can garuntee that the world would improved, he is protected from the consequences of his actions by the failure of civilization.
I completely agree. It’s such a waste of free labor and medical test subjects.
That’s literal nazi shit you’re proposing
Not only, most extreme authoritarian governments tend to do it. Soviets did that as well. Neither is it race based, which was huge point for nazis. So probably more soviet influcened than nazi influcened.
The only reason why death penalty for filth like child traffickers isn’t good is because governments and individuals abuse power and might convict falsely (+ human fault leading to mistakes in the conviction process) but ridding society of parasites like that is the most civilized thing that can be done to them.
That seems somehow familiar. Hmm. Where I have I heard that political rhetoric before? Whatever, it’s only '26. I’m sure by '33 it will all come back.
Yeah, sure, because minorities being systematically tortured and murdered are the same as pedophile rapists, especially in times like these with Epstein and his supporters walking away scotfree from their crimes. Be for real. And as I said, the rate of deliberate or false convictions makes this too much of a risk for people as it is easily exploitable. If one of these monsters dies I’m gonna celebrate though.
It’s not that the stance you are in is wrong, it’s the language you use that is.
Dehumanizing people, whether deserving or not, is how we get to fascism and genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Stürmer#Alleged_sexual_crimes
You seem like some sort of oppportunistic tick. Let’s kill you first when the time comes
I agree that we use the death penalty too often, and often for the wrong reasons, but I would never want that option to be permanently off the table.
There are some people so heinous, that they need to be removed for the good of society. Leaving them alive only emboldens those who think like them. Child Rapist/Murders, Serial Killers, Torture Killers, Actual Treason, and a few others EARN their death penalties, and as a society, we need to eliminate them, and end any influence on our society and culture.
We should only use it a handful of times in a decade, and only in cases where there is no dispute at all. The inmate should have the benefit of a last comprehensive review of their case by a panel of judges, and any chances to use improved technology, DNA, etc. If the death sentence holds up, then it should be a national event, followed on the news, and everybody in the nation should know what we are doing, and why. We should all be a part of it, as a nation.
I remember when those two numbskulls in Connecticut home invaded that family, tied them up, raped the mother and daughters all night, then set the house on fire. The father escaped, called the authorities from the neighbor’s house, and the cops and fire Dept rolled up, just as these dipshits ran out of the burning house. They were caught LITERALLY red-handed, and then immediately confessed by blaming the other guy.
I had a lot of conversations online about that crime, and one thing that was common among Connecticut residents was that they regretted getting rid of the death penalty because even though they didn’t like it, they ALL thought these guys deserved it.
We shouldn’t surrender our ultimate option, just because it makes us uncomfortable. It SHOULD make us uncomfortable, but we have a responsibility as a society to not limit our own defenses. Those who attack our society will not respect our "humanity,"they will exploit it.
No matter how horrible the crime Is, time and again, the conclusion is death penalty is still a bad thing.
In the list of things going wrong about killing innocents, you have human errors, bias towards minorities (on purpose or not), framing individuals, abuse of power, and plain political weaponization.
On the policy side, you think you would restrain it to the most horrendous crimes. Look at the current climate in the US administration: criticizing Israel’s genocide in Gaza is “the same as” wishing all Jews dead, and they started comparing Trump to God.
Normalize the death penalty, and see a bench of crimes labelled horrible enough to warrant a death sentence. That may still come, but the fact that today, death penalty is not normalized prevents them from going there faster.
If you want to remove individuals from society, you still have lifelong prison. At least there, society gets a change to mitigate its mistakes.
What is crazy is that your comment got more likes than the one you replied to. Humans are really disgusting and humanity is a lost cause, beyond saving. Child traffickers should not only be killed but also tortured and raped before killing them - get the same treatment as the kids that were kidnapped.
“Humanity is a lost cause” - proceeds to display a phenomenal lack of humanity by demanding retribution.
Good game. Way to make a point.
Retribution achieves nothing except continuing the circle of violence. The humane thing to do is recognizing the humanity even in supposed monsters. Let’s suppose that doesn’t matter and we would agree that certain crimes need to be punished with the most intense cruelty we can come up with: What if someone is wrongfully convicted? that happens all the time. You can’t undo killing someone.
Torture and death penalty are barbaric and have no place in democracy.
While I believe that child murderers, especially those who rape and torture children, have absolutely EARNED their death penalties, your suggestion that we torture them the same way is ridiculous. Who do we get to perform this punishment? Another torture-murderer we haven’t executed yet? Or is this a Department of Corrections position with specialized training?
I don’t buy the argument that executing a heinous murderer lowers the government to their level, but torturing them first DEFINITELY does.
That’s an immature position to take. Think harder.
So you would be against netynahu being hung after a trial at the hauge?
Thankfully the Netherlands are civilised.
Guillotine it is.
Do you have issues understanding the word nothing?
I disagree
I would.
I’d prefer him to be held, alive, to watch while the monstrosity he’s wrought is dismantled piece by piece. Being made to experience having everything you’ve ever done become shame and humiliation, from a small concrete box with basic rations and a stainless steel pot to shit in. To have enough time to potentially come to the realisation of just how much of an absolute and utter stain on humanity his existence has been.
Hanging leaves no space for true repentance. Or the long term suffering of incarceration until death by natural causes, or preferably, both. Shrug
The pedophile class would find a way to pamper him
Yes.